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john ramirez is a retired gs15 rank cia

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officer who served within the agency

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from 1984 to 2009

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serving within the directorate of

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science and technology the directorate

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of intelligence

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and the office of the director of

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national intelligence

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in this exclusive interview mr ramirez

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will be presenting for the first time

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publicly his own presentation on uap

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data collection within the united states

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intelligence community

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a presentation that aims to amongst

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other things advise members of the ufo

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community as to the best approaches for

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accurate freedom of information act or

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foia requests in order to obtain

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actionable intelligence on uap data from

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various us intelligence agencies

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and so without further delay i hope you

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enjoyed this conversation and

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presentation with myself and john

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everyone in the government seems to be

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tripping over themselves trying to um

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join the conversation so to speak

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everyone wants to say yeah we've also

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collected you know data and here's our

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data

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but

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i really don't know it feels like

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something is happening but i don't know

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what that something is

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and the fact that the cia allowed me to

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say what i did i was really surprised

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so and i got more to say there's a few

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slides i'm going to expand on

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uh for a future presentation i'm trying

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my darnest to try to get redacted

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and haven't succeeded so

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um there's a few slides there um

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about mcminnville ufo

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the

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reality of um

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i would say uh hybridization

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that um

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i thought would get redacted

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but it didn't and that's the word that

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uh louis alexander can't say that

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everyone's

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everyone in the pentagon is expecting

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him to say someday is that we're all

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hybrids

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when you when you say that lou can't say

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that has it is that actually it's not

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it's a schedule

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the biggest takeaway for folks to

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understand is that things are happening

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on a it's not a disclosure it's a

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scheduled distance dissemination

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and so certain things have to be set up

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before other things can be revealed

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i think the kicker would be this james

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webb space telescope

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i think it's going to look at something

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and and it's going to be so

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phenomenal that the government will have

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no choice but to say oh look at that we

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need to go look at it even though they

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know what it is oh okay so you're saying

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that it could be the case that they're

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setting up this telescope with the pr

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prior knowledge that they're going to

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reveal they need to look at some place

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yeah

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in space

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and uh and then there will be some kind

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of reveal there

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um

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and it's interesting that uh

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you know the navy has taken a lead role

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in this not the air force

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yeah well you know i've talked about

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that a bit i mean it it doesn't

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necessarily surprise me that uh you know

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a a group like the air force that's got

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such a controversial legacy history with

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uh with the ufo issue would be reluctant

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to speak although the

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the brain of the us air force which is

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the national air and space intelligence

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center has now got itself involved

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within the handling of uh information

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through the uap task force so there is

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there is that nasa they're giving that

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job

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and that's where it should should always

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i've asked a few people about this um

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you know whether or not they feel that

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it's just a natural development it's a

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good thing that nasa is now in this

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position or is this project blue

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book-esque air force cover-up style

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thing coming up through nasik i mean how

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do you feel about them being involved

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right now um because

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well the fact of that everyone knows

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that's where it's going to go that's

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quite a bit of difference than before

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um so like in blue book it was more like

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uh we know what's going on but we don't

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want anyone else to know what's going on

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and please come up with some reasons why

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they shouldn't think what they saw is

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what they saw you know that was more

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a cover-up

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and i think nasik is more part of this

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controlled dissemination it will

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eventually come out

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yeah i don't think they can bury it

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anymore because it's already out no i

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think i think any sort of conversations

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around swamp gas and temperature

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inverter that's going to not be taken

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very lightly at this point um are you

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optimistic about the direction of the

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modern uap or ufo discussion within

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mainstream context so in terms of

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governmental and academic and media

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engagement does it make you optimistic

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about where we might go

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i think

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see the government's more than willing

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to say that the craft are real

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the government doesn't want to say is

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who's driving the craft

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and so that's still like very

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very quiet um of who's driving a craft

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and the air force um their exploitation

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of that type of technology

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just made a mess of things

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because when people see triangular craft

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and whatnot

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um and they're not like flying in space

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they're flying in our atmosphere

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um it it sort of points to the fact that

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you know we know what the triangles are

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um and we want people to think they're

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seeing ufos because then they won't know

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exactly what they're seeing but the the

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presence of orbs the presence of orbs

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really through everything

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um

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at a higher pitch

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because they couldn't explain the orbs

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and they said okay these these aren't

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the saucers these these aren't your

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grandfather's saucers you know

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these orbs are different

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and that's what really got everyone

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excited is the is the presence of these

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orbs yeah that were detected and so

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that's where most of the focus is on now

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um are these orbs well that interests me

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because obviously my primary experiences

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that kind of catalyzed and threw me into

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doing these types of conversations were

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my own experiences which i'm i'm

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assuming you probably do know about um

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with orange with orange orbs of light

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you know i'm very

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very curious i find it interesting that

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that's the the top level of interest

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with the phenomenon but at the same time

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like you said it's not your

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grandfather's saucer this is a more

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immaterial it's an energetic form of

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some degree and uh and that that throws

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out the uh quite easily to easy to

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digest spaceship with some aliens inside

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it you know this is something else i

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mean i think louis lozando is postulated

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that they could be some sort of uh you

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know drone you know hyper advanced drone

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technology of some form that they're

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coming down and doing surveillance uh i

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you know

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i have no idea uh what it was that i

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what i saw uh so i'm full of questions

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when it comes to orbs and i know you

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have your own experience with that maybe

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we could get into that at some point

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after the presentation because i know

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that you've had some experience

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throughout your uh career with actually

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encountering some of these orbs

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childhood yes and

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childhood of course yeah yeah yeah and

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there are orange and the yes they are i

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mean that's the thing they seem to come

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in a multitude of colors but i've only

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ever witnessed these orange orbs yeah my

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wife has seen orange orbs here uh

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recently um and uh

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and i've seen uh orange orbs and also a

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white orb

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yeah arizona is just full of

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i tell people if you haven't you've

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never seen one come to arizona arizona

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yeah yeah put your lawn chair out and

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just look up the sky for a few minutes

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and you'll see something there's like

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something about arizona going on yeah

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that's that's that's interesting now

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before we uh before we start the

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presentation a quick disclaimer for

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this interview is centered around the

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breakdown of a powerpoint presentation

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which we're going to be including on

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interview through youtube so that you

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have a visual understanding of what's

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being discussed i will also be including

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for anyone who wants a copy of this

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presentation so you can always download

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it and uh and go through it whilst

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listening so um john what inspired you

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to create this presentation titled

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navigating the us intelligence community

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for ufologists well i i recognize that

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the

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foias were primarily directed at cia

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and cia's part of the intelligence

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community is not as expansive as people

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would think

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at least not since the other

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intelligence agencies were

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created and so cia's purview into uaps

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started to shrink

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because there were other agencies

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looking at

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imagery

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of course everyone knows nsa collects

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signals

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as far as

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the uap

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impact on on military on our

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hardware that's all in dia's basket

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so by directing

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foia straight at cia and saying do you

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have any pictures of anything what do

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you know about this

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the only thing you're going to get

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are historical

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records and not anything current because

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we don't do

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current things in this field

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as to the point that people think we do

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but we are still involved in it

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um so i wanted to let people know that

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there are more more agencies than just

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cia and of course louis put dia on the

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so i mean there's more than just cia and

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there's many many other places that

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might have this type of information

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so navigating is more about

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like where to go to get

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information

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in an foia format

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and how to create an foia

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and how to tailor it so that you'll get

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the proper response it's so important to

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not ask for everything but if you have a

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particular event in mind kind of narrow

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it down to a region or event

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uh by date and time

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so

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how a uap would be handled today

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now that we have these intelligence

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agencies and we have these sensors

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how would we handle an appearance of an

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orb

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and so i went through a hypothetical

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case and i had to call it a hypothetical

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but it's

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as we now know there are orbs um but

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what happened before all sap

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you know a lot of folks think that you

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know

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it's all sap and orbs

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but it was an ongoing process to get to

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all sap

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and the fact that the intelligence

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community is not just like

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civilians there's also military and

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there's separate laws

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governing how

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civilian intelligence agencies might

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collect against an orb versus how a

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military agency might collect against

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the orb

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so that's what i wanted to do and also

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bring out

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a story a narrative of

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what i think might have happened

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back in 47

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and i'm not saying that this is what

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happened i'm saying that i myself needed

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to sort it out for my own mind because

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i'm an experiencer

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as well as an intelligence officer and

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so looking at it that way i just wanted

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to like

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connect the dots for myself

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and for

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using the puzzle metaphor

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um i have the corners of the puzzle

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but i've never seen the picture in the

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box so i kind of know okay these are the

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corners

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and i have a pile of pieces and i kind

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of know where the pieces go but not all

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of them fit right so how can i make all

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of the pieces fit right

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to attach to the corners and then maybe

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i can see the picture on the box

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i think others in the government have

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the picture in the box but they're not

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sharing you anything

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and others who claim to have pieces

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they're throwing pieces out

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and a lot of researchers a lot of

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enthusiasts are putting the pieces

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together wrong

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and whether it's intended that way or

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just playing mischief i'm not sure

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there's a lot of information out there

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that doesn't make sense

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and any intelligence officer can look at

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a document and tell you this is not a

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real document and point out the reasons

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why

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that's what i bring to the table i would

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like to help people understand

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what's real and what might not be real

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and with the reasons why it might not be

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real to unpack things

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as i call it as i hear uh information

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and i'll give you an example

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about the bob fish uh emails and i read

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through the emails um i saw where there

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were glaring errors in what bob fish

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said

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not to say that it isn't a credible

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source you just expand on that for

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anyone that might not know uh what these

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are okay i think

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bob fish wrote to podesta who was

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hillary clinton's campaign manager

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um thinking that hillary would win the

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election and become the next president

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let podesta know that since he

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has stated that he they would like to

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open up the ufo files he wanted to

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contribute his experience with what some

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of those files might contain and so he

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apparently had a source uh another

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person who

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was of all things an e-linter like

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myself an electronic intelligence person

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and so he was like relating relating

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things kind of second hand

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based on what the way i read it because

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i could have put in more detail

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uh and what bob fish revealed but he was

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on the right track it's just that little

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things were like not quite

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not quite correct and in fact the

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correct

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um

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unpacking of it is even more profound

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than what he said

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so that's that's that's the bob fish

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story and we went to ufo joe joe joe

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emerging so he he had the emails and

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contacted him directly

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but uh yeah i can i can unpack that even

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more profoundly than what bob fish

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revealed

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so things like that that i could do

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yeah i think well this is this is why i

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said that i think it's going to be a

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very useful tool for people who are

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trying to increase the

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veracity accuracy and scope of their

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research especially when it comes to

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freedom of information at requests to

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different agencies um

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i think that this is going to be a tool

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that can be utilized obviously you've

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got this background

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and and you're you're using your

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intelligence background and your

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abilities to craft this presentation so

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i think that people are certainly going

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to find some benefit from it so uh i

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think i think the best thing to do here

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is to probably let you take the lead on

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this after all it's your presentation

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and and then once the presentation is

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concluded we can cap it off with a

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discussion at the end because i'll most

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likely be writing down some questions as

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i listen so uh maybe we can do a little

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q and a session at the end or something

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like that all right well the the stage

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is yours john so whenever you're ready

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if you want to get the screen sharing up

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and uh and yeah whenever you're whenever

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you're ready

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okay um so we're at the title

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slide and

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as we said before it's more of an

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overview of what america's intelligence

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agencies do but with a focus on

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ufo uap

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this is a little bit about me gs15

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retired i retired in 2009

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in the 25 years i started in the

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directorate of science and technology

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in the sigint field and the director of

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intelligence in the weapons intelligence

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analysis field

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toward the end of my career

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i was at the odni national counter

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proliferation center

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this is a very important slide because

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what this slide says is

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nothing in this presentation contains

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classified information and can be shared

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or published

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so

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that's why i'm sharing it with

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everyone who is

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watching today

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and they don't endorse what i say and

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they don't even

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admit that anything i say is true or

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false sort of gives the government

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some leeway in uh kind of distancing

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themselves from what i might say but

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that's this is very standard

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for anyone at cia

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writing

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a book

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or

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like this

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and they did not in any way

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tailor my presentation they received it

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cold they looked at it analyzed it i

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believe they sent it further up into

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government since it relates to

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ufos and uaps

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and there was nothing there that was

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classified

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anywhere in

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and here's where we're going to go

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these are meant to be modules i can pull

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out modules and build upon them

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or leave them all in so these are the

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five modules that i have for the

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presentation the first part is pretty

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much about the intelligence community

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the second part is about things that you

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may have heard about the intelligence

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community which are not

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true

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and the third and fourth part are more

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in line with

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a

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so here we go

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um there are 18

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agencies

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used to be that the director of central

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intelligence

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headed the 18

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but also wore another hat the director

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of central intelligence agency so one

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person was managing the um well back

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then was 16. one person was managing 16

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agencies as well as cia

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and it was thought that this conflict of

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interest may have had

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an impact on sharing intelligence

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across these agencies when they're

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related to counterterrorism the fbi was

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reluctant to share intelligence with cia

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cia was reluctant to share intelligence

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with the fbi

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so when the alleged hijackers came from

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overseas into the us cia dropped them

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but didn't tell the fbi to pick them up

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the fbi did pick them up but didn't tell

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cia that they were working on

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trying to find out what these guys were

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doing so that break in in the stove

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piping of uh of this information

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was very critical in what happened

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now there's two sides to the

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intelligence community there's the

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defense side and the civilian side

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and there's two sets of laws

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title 10 refers to the department of

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defense

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and title 50 refers to the

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dni

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and the overlap is very important

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because it kind of tells you why

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cia was not involved in the uap task

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force if you look at the participants

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the glaring

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first

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this is where the odi headquarters is

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located it's called liberty crossing in

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fairfax county

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we call it lx

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if i move my cursor here you can see

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that sort of like an l and there's the x

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um

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and uh trivia quite a trivia fact was

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that louis elizondo and i were both in

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this building at the same time and i've

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never seen him and i don't believe he's

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ever seen me

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um if we've met it would have been in

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this hallway it connects to two

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cafeterias together

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but um i i didn't know who he was and he

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didn't know who i was at all and uh so

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it's a it's a large enterprise and that

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website there

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will tell you how this is supposed to

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work

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the 18 agencies

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so even though they're eight okay so

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this these are the three mission areas

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in the odni counterterrorism counter

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proliferation

570
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:19,919
and counter intelligence

571
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,919
uh i was in the national counter

572
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,760
proliferation center but most people

573
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,360
know the national counterterrorism

574
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:28,080
center they have the very large watch

575
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,200
spinner

576
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,280
that presidents go to to make speeches

577
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,960
they also have the auditorium in the

578
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,000
building

579
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,000
where presidents make speeches and so

580
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:37,520
most people focus on the

581
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,640
counterterrorism side of the odni but it

582
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:42,960
also includes kind of proliferation

583
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,070
so there are 18 members in intelligence

584
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,880
community but five are more equal than

585
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,640
others let's say

586
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,960
and these are listed in the order that

587
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:01,919
the legislation founded them

588
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,200
cia was founded in 1947 it's always the

589
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,720
agency and the ic um other

590
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:10,559
members of the ic get annoyed that we

591
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,520
always call ourselves the agency

592
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,400
and um whereas the other

593
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,960
uh agencies you know

594
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:21,600
you you say national security agency or

595
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,640
or national reconnaissance office

596
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,520
but we are the agency we found it in 47

597
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,799
the fort

598
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,640
is what we call the national security

599
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,919
agency

600
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,320
and all of these agencies were founded

601
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,039
due to some perception of a failure

602
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,760
or the lack of some capability

603
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,159
1952 was the middle of the korean war

604
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,640
the chinese entered the korean war

605
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,799
it was believed that it was a failure of

606
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,039
communications intelligence

607
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,679
to be able to indicate and warn that the

608
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,240
chinese were going to enter the korean

609
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,669
congress set up a dedicated agency to

610
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,600
collect signals and that became the

611
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:04,159
national security agencies took out that

612
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,320
function out of cia gave it to the nsa

613
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,640
during the 50s there was a battle

614
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,679
between

615
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,080
the air force and the cia

616
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,840
as to who owned the skies in terms of

617
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,880
reconnaissance the

618
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,080
cia of course as you know had the u-2

619
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:23,520
aircraft

620
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,320
the

621
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,120
air force a particularly strategic air

622
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,320
command

623
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,240
under curtis lemay

624
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,360
he was touting the b-66 bomber

625
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,520
converting that into an intelligence

626
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,039
collecting craft

627
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480
and there were fierce battles between

628
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,919
the two

629
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,080
so congress created the national

630
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,080
reconnaissance office

631
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,600
to blend in both u.s uh air force

632
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:49,840
equities and cia equities

633
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,840
in intelligence from the air and space

634
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,720
and also later uh was joined by the u.s

635
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,840
navy

636
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,840
and they're called the westfields or the

637
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,640
towers or taj mahal the taj mahal

638
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,799
because at one time the nro had the most

639
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,919
plush

640
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,600
building in the intelligence community

641
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:09,679
if not the federal government they they

642
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,640
had like some of the nicest facilities

643
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,880
but that's no longer true

644
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,000
and so

645
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,240
now we have the dia

646
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,120
were founded in 1961.

647
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,880
um

648
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,799
so we don't call it the dia everyone

649
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,360
calls it the diac so if we're going to

650
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,720
the dia

651
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,080
at joint

652
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,600
base

653
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,360
bowling anacostia

654
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,039
we don't say we're going to dia we say

655
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,120
we're going to die and everyone knows

656
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,799
that's the dia

657
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:39,919
so

658
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,799
they are a military intelligence agency

659
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,039
in the sense that they look at

660
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,039
what other foreign governments are doing

661
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,240
in terms of their military capabilities

662
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,480
and assess what our

663
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:54,320
hardware

664
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,279
might

665
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,919
stack up against their hardware

666
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,400
and so this was a result of another

667
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,400
failure or a controversy in the

668
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,960
government between the missile gap and

669
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,679
the

670
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:07,360
bomber gap

671
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,480
cia

672
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,760
and

673
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,480
the pentagon had fierce battles

674
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,640
about um you know who's ahead and who's

675
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,000
behind

676
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,320
and because of that congress said okay

677
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,000
we're going to have one agency to look

678
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,159
at all things of military intelligence

679
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,120
nature and here's the dia

680
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,600
the nga which in my opinion is the most

681
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,880
important of

682
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,960
the agencies in terms of

683
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,520
uap research

684
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,799
was actually part of cia from a long

685
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,480
time ago it was called a national

686
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,440
photographic interpretation center

687
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,720
and later

688
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,360
merged with a defense mapping agency

689
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,880
they called them the national

690
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,320
intelligence

691
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,840
rather the national imagery and mapping

692
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,200
agency now

693
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,440
general schwarzkopf in the first gulf

694
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,679
war complained

695
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,480
loudly congress heard that the

696
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,880
warfighter was not getting

697
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,679
adequate imagery intelligence from the

698
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,120
cia

699
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,200
because they were holding on to it and

700
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,200
because of the classification level of

701
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:12,720
the imagery

702
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,760
being top secret sci most

703
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,159
folks in the military on the ground the

704
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,640
war fighter doesn't have

705
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,640
that type of level to get that

706
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,720
intelligence and very few officers did

707
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:25,679
so

708
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,600
um congress then took that function away

709
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,520
joined it with a defense function for

710
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,000
mapping and that eventually became the

711
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,480
national geospatial intelligence agency

712
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,960
nga in 2003.

713
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,799
and the crystal palace is sort of like

714
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,720
an informal name if you saw their

715
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,919
headquarters

716
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,720
um

717
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,399
you can see why they call it the crystal

718
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,200
palace and we'll look at that later

719
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,399
so of the four big agencies there are

720
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,120
functional mission managers for

721
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,360
various intelligence disciplines

722
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,919
we have human intelligence at cia and

723
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,360
that's well known because human

724
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,720
intelligence

725
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,880
is about recruiting spies from other

726
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,880
countries to report what they're doing

727
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,320
to us

728
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,640
they also have open source intelligence

729
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,120
or ossen that term has become very

730
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,679
popular because osin is what most

731
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,840
most of you do in terms of you know

732
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,559
collecting uh foia documents and looking

733
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,039
at websites and trying to stitch

734
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,080
together some truth as to what's going

735
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,520
on based on open source the cia's the

736
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,840
is the uh functional mission manager for

737
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,039
that

738
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:35,600
in the open source enterprise

739
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,679
as we said before uh the nsa has sigint

740
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,320
uh the director of nsa internally we

741
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,600
call it dernsa never the director of nsa

742
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,840
so internally we say dern's on everyone

743
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,919
knows that means the director

744
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,200
now measurement and signature

745
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,520
intelligence became very popular most

746
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,039
recently because

747
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,720
they're the folks who

748
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,200
specialized in the sensors that were

749
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,840
collecting information at skinwalker

750
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,880
ranch

751
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,720
and dia has

752
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,960
the finch functional mission manager

753
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,720
responsibility for

754
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,039
mass mazent

755
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,799
and i've already mentioned nga having

756
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,120
geospatial intelligence

757
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:17,840
nro is just as the mission enabler they

758
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,960
designed the sensor systems

759
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,880
to collect

760
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:24,559
against all of those other five

761
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,950
now there's also there are also science

762
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:35,840
and technology intelligence centers

763
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,200
you know the one at the bottom

764
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,760
nasic but let's go through all of them

765
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:42,559
um

766
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,840
and they're in huntsville alabama

767
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,640
and they're part of the dia

768
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,960
and huntsville alabama redstone arsenal

769
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:55,679
as you know is is uh is the location

770
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,960
where the german rocket scientists went

771
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,679
um werner von braun had an office there

772
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,480
with the marshall space flight center in

773
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,960
the redstone arsenal

774
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,039
um the national ground intelligence

775
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,360
center we call it inject their

776
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,840
uh headquarters is in charlottesville

777
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,360
virginia

778
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,919
and of interest uh to some of you might

779
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,480
be the fact that they are also

780
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,600
the intelligence center for underground

781
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,320
facilities

782
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,679
we all heard of o and i but

783
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,600
in the intelligence community

784
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,320
we know them as in mc

785
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,080
the national maritime intelligence

786
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,919
center they're located in suitland

787
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:39,200
maryland

788
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,080
and

789
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,159
of interest to

790
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,480
uap researchers they're the intelligence

791
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,840
center

792
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,960
with responsibility for undersea weapons

793
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,000
and facilities

794
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,840
and so nasek

795
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,080
had many names over the years during the

796
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,679
roswell era it was called t2

797
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,960
intelligence

798
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:00,960
and they changed names most people know

799
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,720
them as ftd foreign technology division

800
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,799
and there were several names up to the

801
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,320
national air and space intelligence

802
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,159
center we call it nasik and of course

803
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:12,159
they're located in wright patterson air

804
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,909
so let's look at a crop circle and let's

805
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,720
apply those intelligence disciplines to

806
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:25,440
investigating a crop circle

807
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,399
um

808
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,480
it's not a good idea just to send it to

809
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,480
cia because they wouldn't have pictures

810
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,200
of the crop circle it's another agency

811
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,679
that has photos of crop circles if they

812
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,519
exist in that agency

813
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,640
so it's better to tailor the foia to the

814
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,640
agency responsible for those five

815
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,799
intelligence disciplines

816
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,760
so what intelligence discipline would be

817
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,440
most involved in the crop circle and i

818
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,799
think you already know that that would

819
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,559
be nga

820
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,880
and the fall of 2020

821
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,880
and the timing is very interesting

822
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:58,080
because

823
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,159
as you know um the department of defense

824
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,360
established the uap task force in august

825
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,320
of 2020 and released the report in june

826
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:12,000
of 2020 so right in between that period

827
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,279
nga

828
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:15,440
thought it would be important

829
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,200
to be able to exploit circles

830
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,640
and they wanted to

831
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,120
know where all of the circles were the

832
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,200
physical features and geographically

833
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,799
reference activities on the earth

834
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,279
related to circles

835
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,080
and it says here that the nga seeks to

836
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,399
know where all the circles in the world

837
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,120
are and how big they are

838
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,120
i found that to be very interesting and

839
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,760
as far as the prize goes it was awarded

840
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,799
to

841
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,760
um it was a public

842
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,960
challenge

843
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,519
to help nga come up with algorithms to

844
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,240
be able to detect circles on the ground

845
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,919
and you might think well then gee that's

846
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,399
easy just look for circle but a lot of

847
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,600
the data the nga collects from its

848
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,440
sensors in space

849
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,880
are

850
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,600
scanned by artificial intelligence

851
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:08,000
it's not like the old days where you had

852
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,880
film

853
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,880
and you had someone you know looking

854
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,200
through like binoculars

855
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,640
on a light table

856
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,070
scanning like real film across looking

857
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,360
for things

858
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,519
that's not true anymore it's all digital

859
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,240
and so the computer needs to find of

860
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,720
items of interest or object of interest

861
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,399
in that frame

862
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,440
and so circles presented a challenge to

863
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,880
nga and they awarded a prize

864
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,200
to a college student

865
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:41,120
i believe

866
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,840
from russia or a former russian republic

867
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:48,880
who had the best solution to implement

868
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,110
so for a crop circle

869
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,960
you might want to

870
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,480
have

871
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,080
human to human contact a

872
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,840
person-to-person contact you might want

873
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,960
to interview

874
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,399
eyewitnesses

875
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,320
who may have seen the phenomenon being

876
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,840
created

877
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,159
also it may have been

878
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,839
a news item in the local television or

879
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,679
print media or people may have taken

880
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:18,079
pictures of it and posted it to social

881
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,720
media so that's a a ocean type of

882
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,040
intelligence gathering

883
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:27,440
something i haven't heard too much about

884
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,720
but i find intriguing is whether

885
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,760
electromagnetic data

886
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,839
may have emanated or still emanating

887
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,079
from a crop circle

888
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,240
so who would have that information it

889
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,159
would be nsa

890
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,320
and of course dia everyone knows now

891
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:43,599
that they collect

892
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,839
radiological biochemical spectral sonic

893
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,440
data all of the above that doesn't fit

894
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,079
human ocean and sigint

895
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,960
and the dia scientists as we now know

896
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:56,960
were deployed to skinwalker ranch with

897
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,079
their sensors collecting 4dia

898
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,960
mazent

899
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,280
an nga of course collects

900
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,680
optical photography and electro optical

901
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:09,920
and that includes infrared and

902
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,630
so sending foi requests to these

903
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,920
agencies

904
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,160
uh tailored to what you want to know

905
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,079
about that crop circle makes a lot more

906
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,160
sense than just sending it to this one

907
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,200
agency who may not have the purview

908
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,200
to have these intelligence disciplines

909
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,990
and we talked a little about nga and i

910
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,000
want to talk about commercial imagery

911
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:37,920
because

912
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,920
commercial imagery isn't utilized enough

913
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,240
of course we all use google maps google

914
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,640
earth a lot of people don't know that

915
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,560
google earth was originally a cia

916
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,040
application given to google

917
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:53,520
and was called earth viewer

918
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,040
and so google adapted it for its data

919
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:00,960
now google does not own any satellites

920
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,079
the owner of google satellites is maxar

921
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,920
technologies formerly it was called

922
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,440
digital globe

923
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,119
they're located in westminster colorado

924
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,200
uh near boulder

925
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,960
the first two satellites were actually

926
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,680
nro satellites uh transferred to a

927
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:19,440
commercial company

928
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,320
and

929
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,280
it was

930
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,000
an older satellite technology so the

931
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,560
quality image was nowhere near

932
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,560
what we call national technical means

933
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,599
imagery

934
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,599
but it was very very good

935
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,000
now the government allows

936
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,640
25 centimeters per pixel that is the

937
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,320
pixel resolution

938
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,520
from about 383 miles up and that's

939
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,960
pretty fascinating because what that

940
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,079
means is

941
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:46,000
if these commercial satellites wanted to

942
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:47,119
do it

943
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:51,200
you can take a piece of paper 9.8 by 9.8

944
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,680
inches or 25 centimeters per side and

945
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,599
you can lay them all out

946
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,000
and put objects on them that covers up

947
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
the paper and from 383 feet they can

948
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,720
measure those objects

949
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,720
and that's quite quite the resolution up

950
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,680
there but usually they use 30 centimeter

951
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,680
per pixel resolution because that's the

952
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,320
limit of what the commercial satellite

953
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,880
companies are launching at this time

954
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,720
there was a time when uh

955
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,480
maxar thought that they

956
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,320
they could do their own satellites and

957
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,440
not rely on nro for assistance worldview

958
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,359
4 was their

959
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,280
standalone satellite with no government

960
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
help and that failed in orbit a few

961
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,920
years after it was launched

962
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,520
so now they're going back with world

963
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,920
view legion in 2022 as they retire the

964
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,520
older satellites

965
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,119
so we'll have six uh brand new

966
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,400
satellites up uh in the 2020s

967
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,839
and um

968
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,480
likely they will have more nro input to

969
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,040
get those satellites working

970
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:54,000
now if you follow my cursor here

971
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,800
um

972
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,960
this is where you get the most the most

973
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,720
detailed imagery

974
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,359
it's straight down we call this nader

975
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,920
from straight from the telescope right

976
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,599
down to the earth

977
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,839
straight perfect uh perpendicular to

978
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,839
earth that is the most useless imagery

979
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,119
you can collect

980
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,640
because it doesn't do any good to look

981
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,079
at the roof of the building you want to

982
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,920
be able to measure the building how high

983
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,680
it is and how wide it is

984
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,880
so

985
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,480
most of the time we look

986
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,839
over here

987
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,480
not straight down so we get an angle

988
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:26,800
to whatever object we're looking at

989
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,920
now out here the imagery is very poor

990
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,880
and that's what you see on google earth

991
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:36,079
very poor imagery like a meter

992
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,280
uh

993
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,480
pixel resolution whereas the actual

994
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,880
capability is like a third of a meter 30

995
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,359
centimeters

996
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,880
now wouldn't it be great to be able to

997
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,040
get on google earth and be able to see

998
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,960
what your house looks like right there

999
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,200
and be and walk outside and see yourself

1000
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,000
waving at the satellite uh can't do that

1001
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,040
because what google supplies

1002
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,599
is historic data a snapshot in time that

1003
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,119
may have been taken

1004
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,480
a year ago

1005
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,480
six months ago maybe two years ago it's

1006
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,880
going to be very dated imagery

1007
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:11,599
not so with nro for 300 million dollars

1008
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,560
per year you too can get 24 7 on demand

1009
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,720
imagery from anywhere on earth to

1010
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:21,200
monitor anything on earth but that's

1011
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,240
quite uh

1012
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,560
quite a lot of money to spend but nro

1013
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:26,960
does do that to augment its own

1014
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,829
and this is the crystal palace this is

1015
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,440
the headquarters of the national

1016
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,079
geospatial spatial uh intelligence

1017
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,119
agency in springfield virginia

1018
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,560
if you see pictures of it there are

1019
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,880
pictures inside released it is it is

1020
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,640
tremendous building

1021
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,280
is very ornate inside it's just

1022
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,520
amazing this building that they built

1023
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,720
for nga it is the most important

1024
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,760
agency

1025
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,560
for

1026
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,240
uap research

1027
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,720
because as we know the uaps are like

1028
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,800
visual phenomena they're lights orbs or

1029
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,480
craft

1030
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,800
cia doesn't take pictures nsa doesn't

1031
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,119
take pictures dia doesn't pay take

1032
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,599
pictures in a row has satellites to take

1033
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,760
pictures but where those pictures go

1034
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,560
they go to two in ga

1035
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,280
and so it is the like the most likely

1036
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,480
place where you can actually

1037
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,040
maybe ask for a foia of collected and

1038
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,920
analyzed ufo or uap data

1039
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,880
but i looked at their

1040
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,599
uf foia request for the last several

1041
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,440
years and no one's ever asked them for

1042
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,800
anything related to uaps

1043
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:40,240
well hopefully that would change because

1044
00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:46,390
so let's look at a hypothetical case

1045
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:49,400
let's say an orb appears and i use the

1046
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,960
sts-75 tether incident as just an

1047
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,640
exemplar of

1048
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,920
an unusual phenomenon in space

1049
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,240
this is when they had a high energy

1050
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,359
tether

1051
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,240
and it broke and it was powered up to

1052
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,560
such a level that it started to attract

1053
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,240
things in space

1054
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:10,560
and these are some of the objects that

1055
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,160
attract uh nasa always no okay so you

1056
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,359
can't say these are weather balloons or

1057
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,319
temperature inversions or like swamp gas

1058
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,800
so the new newest thing from nasa is um

1059
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,760
dust oh it's a dust on the lens

1060
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,440
so that's what they call this it's kind

1061
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,079
of a dust particle material on the lens

1062
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,000
something that flew off

1063
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,079
um when the tether broke it's just dust

1064
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:36,880
particles but if you look at um

1065
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,720
youtube videos of this sts-75 incident

1066
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,760
on that date you'll see that these

1067
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:45,280
disks are

1068
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,560
actually flying and maneuvering

1069
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,760
in the very

1070
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,839
intelligent way and

1071
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,520
changing shapes

1072
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,440
blinking i would say

1073
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,839
it's really interesting to see so let's

1074
00:42:04,150 --> 00:41:59,520
let's see what might happen if we

1075
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,160
detected an orb in space well

1076
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,800
so let's say that they discover light

1077
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,119
energy orbs under intelligent control

1078
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,079
flying in formation

1079
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,839
with intent to go to a

1080
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,119
destination the first thing that the

1081
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:19,760
imagery analysts would do is to rule out

1082
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,960
foreign military technology

1083
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,640
confirm that it's not

1084
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:25,680
a

1085
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,990
which studied uh

1086
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,829
signals coming from these advanced

1087
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,280
of other countries

1088
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,280
to see could it be that could it be like

1089
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,200
for example

1090
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:52,160
plasma stealth generators that were

1091
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,359
hooked up to

1092
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,599
the highest flying aircraft that in the

1093
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:58,000
russian inventory the mig-31

1094
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:59,040
which can

1095
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,359
routinely fly between 85 to 100 000 feet

1096
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,800
and broke the altitude record 120 23 000

1097
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:09,040
feet that's pretty high could it be that

1098
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,160
with a stealth

1099
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,880
plasma stealth generator and no it could

1100
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,960
not because we we know

1101
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,839
um

1102
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,359
you know when they were in flight and

1103
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,400
they did not conform to the events

1104
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,040
of these energy orbs so we can rule that

1105
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:24,400
out

1106
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,800
as a cause of these orbs to be seen

1107
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,720
so if it's not anything that is

1108
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,720
adversary technology then we have to

1109
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,160
look on the ground

1110
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,000
and see if the software might have been

1111
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,440
malfunctioning

1112
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,280
and the software was confirmed to be

1113
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,800
working within specifications so okay

1114
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,480
what's next well

1115
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,720
how about the spacecraft itself

1116
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,960
how about how about the birds we call

1117
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,440
spacecraft birds how about the birds

1118
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,440
themselves are they working and the

1119
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,079
birds were all functioning uh

1120
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,400
fine according to nro in a row is

1121
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,040
responsible for the care and feeding of

1122
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,960
of the birds in orbit

1123
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:07,760
and everything checked out fine so now

1124
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:11,599
we have an interesting situation here

1125
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,839
so the nga arrow reforms the dni

1126
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,000
about what's going on up there that's

1127
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,720
very unusual

1128
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,359
and so the dni decides we need to take a

1129
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:25,599
deeper dive into this let's let's

1130
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,440
examine what's what's going on here

1131
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,920
so the dni authorizes the establishment

1132
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,440
of a working group

1133
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,079
and also establishes a compartment to

1134
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,920
control dissemination

1135
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,640
as they study this

1136
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,800
so the nga

1137
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,280
as lead agency briefs the other agencies

1138
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,839
now what i mean by lee agency

1139
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,960
the agency that owns the data is the

1140
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,440
agency that is the lead agency they own

1141
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,079
the data because it's in their purview

1142
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,839
nga does imagery and these were images

1143
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,760
so as the lead agency they're

1144
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,319
responsible then for conducting the

1145
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,440
working group

1146
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,640
so they will brief cia nsa dia maybe the

1147
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,400
department of energy

1148
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,280
and within each of those agencies

1149
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,839
they will establish a intra or internal

1150
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,400
agency working group and read read in

1151
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,280
their own subject matter experts

1152
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599
and so now they gather all the subject

1153
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,680
matic experts together

1154
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,000
along with contractors and they're the

1155
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,480
usual contractors that that you are

1156
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,240
aware of like lockheed martin boeing

1157
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,839
northrop grumman raytheon these are the

1158
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,119
big four

1159
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,560
they read in their scientists and

1160
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,440
engineers and they all meet together

1161
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,079
and they'll invite all the concerned

1162
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,720
parties together to study the phenomenon

1163
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,280
and more collection might be tasked

1164
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,280
let's let's collect more data and see

1165
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,880
what's going on

1166
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,960
the objective is to reach some kind of

1167
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,680
consensus and write a report for the dni

1168
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:58,160
they owe the report to the dni since

1169
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:04,710
so the dni will get this report about

1170
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:09,200
this this orb phenomenon happening

1171
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,160
and

1172
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,599
by the way

1173
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,319
nga does not look at imagery over the

1174
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,920
earth from

1175
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,680
nro satellites

1176
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,520
they're looking at imagery over the

1177
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,760
earth in adversarial countries or

1178
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,520
foreign countries so you can assume that

1179
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,040
this happened

1180
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:27,119
let's say russia that these orbs

1181
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,589
so the dni briefs the president and

1182
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,839
offers decision levers it's important to

1183
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:37,599
understand that the intelligence

1184
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,160
community never ever makes policy

1185
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,839
only the president

1186
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,359
makes policy

1187
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,720
and so they

1188
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:47,680
offer

1189
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,560
policy recommendations to the president

1190
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,359
but it's based on data and informed by

1191
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,119
analysis

1192
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,040
so decision level one

1193
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,599
i threw three of them together

1194
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,760
three that made sense

1195
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,560
first is to observe but continue active

1196
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,800
collection and analysis this is a very

1197
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,000
passive

1198
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,240
stance just keep watching and see what

1199
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,599
happens

1200
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,000
the second is to engage the phenomena in

1201
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,079
some way but don't threaten it that is

1202
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:19,440
let's fly something new toward it or

1203
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,720
do something uh perhaps to attract its

1204
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,400
attention but don't

1205
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,359
make it feel like it's in danger

1206
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,359
we're just trying to like see what

1207
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,520
reaction might come by

1208
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,000
engaging this phenomenon the third

1209
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,800
is very dangerous because it's not only

1210
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,440
engaging a phenomenon but provoking a

1211
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,559
reaction

1212
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,200
um and provoking um

1213
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,520
in the national defense authorization

1214
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,720
act for fiscal year 2022

1215
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,960
that left the house and it's on its way

1216
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,640
to the senate

1217
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:54,960
there's a provision in there for

1218
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:58,720
this uap office within the pentagon to

1219
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,400
report on efforts to capture a uap

1220
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,480
when you tell the department of defense

1221
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:06,480
that you're interested in capturing a

1222
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,400
uap and you want reports on progress

1223
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,160
for capturing uap it gives the

1224
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,920
department of defense the idea that it's

1225
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,680
a kinetic response

1226
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,960
and so that's the

1227
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:19,760
decision level three provoke a reaction

1228
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,960
and i don't recommend

1229
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,960
shooting anything down

1230
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,720
i think that's a bad decision that's my

1231
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,119
opinion but it's up to the policy makers

1232
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,200
to decide how they want to

1233
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,440
handle that part of

1234
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,400
the ndaa

1235
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,599
sue gordon

1236
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,520
was the primary uh

1237
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:41,839
principal deputy director of dni

1238
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,839
in 2020 and she resigned in 2020

1239
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,559
and

1240
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,200
so she's asking you know she knows that

1241
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,280
the intelligence community is great at

1242
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,520
collecting data they collect more data

1243
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,839
than they know what to do with nsa

1244
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,160
collects so much data that they had to

1245
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,880
build a giant data center in utah in

1246
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,319
order to hold all the data they collect

1247
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,480
so we're great collecting data but we're

1248
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,440
not so great at processing the data or

1249
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,400
analyzing data to solve problems and

1250
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,359
that's true with the uap side as well

1251
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:17,200
it's easy to collect data

1252
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,079
but

1253
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,440
it's not so easy to

1254
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,040
find out

1255
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,760
what's in the data and what does it mean

1256
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,319
and that leads to a uap

1257
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,640
task force report

1258
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,559
so when i read the uap task force

1259
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,319
preliminary assessment i came up with a

1260
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,680
few pointers of how i

1261
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,839
interpreted it

1262
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,800
it was

1263
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,359
very clear to me that military tactical

1264
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,800
sensors on board the fa-18s hornet

1265
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,559
were inadequate

1266
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,000
collectors

1267
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,559
of infrared data

1268
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,319
sure i mean they did exactly what they

1269
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,559
were supposed to do as you saw the

1270
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,880
engagement box was locked on

1271
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,359
to the uaps in flight

1272
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,200
right in the center had they launched

1273
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,400
the missile

1274
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,400
if the uap didn't detect it and move out

1275
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,760
of the way

1276
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,280
the missile would have been directed

1277
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:10,480
toward

1278
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,359
that

1279
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,040
engagement

1280
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,720
center

1281
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,640
but that's all they did it's not

1282
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,640
designed to like collect data and

1283
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,440
actually look at the infrared signature

1284
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,200
in a scientific way

1285
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:25,839
it's designed to put a weapon onto a

1286
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,880
target based on a heat signature

1287
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,400
so clearly that was inadequate

1288
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,160
it was also made clear that the uaps

1289
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:38,240
seem to have drawn

1290
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,359
well the

1291
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,920
the national strategic sensors

1292
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,079
seem to have drawn the the attention of

1293
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,520
the uaps

1294
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,599
and that's to me very fascinating

1295
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:49,839
because amongst those national strategic

1296
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:52,839
sensors as you know are interrogating

1297
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,240
satellites and if the uaps were drawn to

1298
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,160
the national imaging

1299
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,160
imagery satellites

1300
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,839
there's a possibility that there could

1301
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:04,640
be like really good pictures of them and

1302
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,040
pictures that who knows may have been um

1303
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:11,359
and video maybe um

1304
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,040
of these objects uh in flight in a very

1305
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,390
fashion so that's something that

1306
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,119
has not been released

1307
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,400
and probably will not be released

1308
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,480
because it will give away the

1309
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,839
um

1310
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,480
the performance of the nro platforms

1311
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,480
which are very very good

1312
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,920
uh the other one uh the x37b i thought

1313
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,680
would get redacted

1314
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,520
i put it in there on the chance that it

1315
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:41,599
wouldn't um because i associated the

1316
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,440
xb37 the x37b craft with a strategic

1317
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:46,720
sensor

1318
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,270
space shuttle it has a payload bay doors

1319
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,839
that open but it's completely

1320
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,599
unmanned there's no one flying it it

1321
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,720
flies autonomously

1322
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,480
but it seems like

1323
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,880
if the uaps were interested in some of

1324
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,559
our most most

1325
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,319
advanced sensors

1326
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,160
xb37b

1327
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:12,880
is an advanced sensor

1328
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,480
it was also clear that we lacked

1329
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,559
collection assets on the ground

1330
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,800
where the uaps were

1331
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,960
interested like dod facilities

1332
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,680
department of energy facilities

1333
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,680
intelligence community facilities and

1334
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,599
nasa facilities

1335
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,400
we don't have anything under the water

1336
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,549
of persistence that could collect

1337
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,800
against anything like that persistence

1338
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,359
meaning it's there 24 7 collecting and

1339
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,119
sending information

1340
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,280
for analysis

1341
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,559
but

1342
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,720
as part of the ndaa

1343
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,839
um

1344
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,839
fy 2022

1345
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,839
it establishes an office within the

1346
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,559
pentagon to do this 24 7.

1347
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,559
so that's a good thing it's now not just

1348
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,400
a task force that's temporary

1349
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,000
but a permanent office and is a

1350
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:04,720
reporting requirement of 180 days not

1351
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,960
just one report but every 180 days we

1352
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,520
need a report an update on what you're

1353
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,480
doing

1354
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,520
in terms of investigating and analyzing

1355
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,280
these uaps

1356
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,280
on the intelligence side there are no

1357
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:21,760
national intelligence officers

1358
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,800
nios for uaps they write the national

1359
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:27,760
intelligence estimate the official

1360
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,040
analysis of a major issue is called a

1361
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:33,520
national intelligence estimate

1362
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,960
there's no one covering that for uaps

1363
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,920
there are

1364
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,599
national intelligence officers for

1365
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,040
aviation

1366
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,319
but i think uaps might be more advanced

1367
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:46,880
than just covering aviation for example

1368
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,760
and they need one for uaps and also

1369
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,520
there's no subject matter experts

1370
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,000
covering uaps as full-time analytic

1371
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,119
accounts

1372
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,599
what that means is there's no one there

1373
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,599
walking in the door and saying your job

1374
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,319
is uaps that's all you do

1375
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,240
until the day you retire

1376
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,760
there's no one like that

1377
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,000
what happens is that

1378
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,000
in the course of doing our regular

1379
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:12,640
day-to-day analysis which is in my case

1380
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,640
funded by the cia program ciap

1381
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,079
or at the

1382
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,280
dia

1383
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,280
the funding vehicle is called the

1384
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,680
general defense

1385
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,640
intelligence program or g-dip

1386
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,280
it's just a big huge pot of money

1387
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,680
which is doled out by the respective

1388
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,359
financial officers chief financial

1389
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,119
officers in each of these agencies to do

1390
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,720
various

1391
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,559
groups and divisions within that agency

1392
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,400
to do certain things

1393
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,799
um so that's how you can do something

1394
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,079
within an intelligence agency without

1395
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,960
having a really big formal contract it's

1396
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,480
part of your job

1397
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,559
because that money also

1398
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,280
uh pays for your usual cast of

1399
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,200
contractors that are with you day in and

1400
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,680
day out working side by side with you as

1401
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,760
well as the government staff they're in

1402
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:03,680
their day in day out

1403
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,839
so so unless you have to buy a building

1404
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,480
and buy a whole lot of equipment to put

1405
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,160
in that building

1406
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,119
or deploy somewhere with that equipment

1407
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:17,839
and contractors deploying you don't

1408
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,079
really need a special program budget

1409
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,160
but you can carve it out of your

1410
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,599
existing budget because for example

1411
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,480
one of my jobs might have been to look

1412
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,799
at the ballistic missile defense system

1413
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,799
of russia

1414
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:37,520
and they may have radars that may have

1415
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,480
tracked

1416
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,079
uaps

1417
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,319
do i need to have a budget to say okay i

1418
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,079
want to study these uaps tracked by

1419
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,440
these russian radars no i don't

1420
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:50,480
so that's how that's done

1421
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,079
and the intricacies of the budget

1422
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,319
will give you a headache it's basically

1423
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,079
looking at

1424
00:56:04,150 --> 00:55:59,920
yards of spreadsheets

1425
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:05,990
so let's clear up some misconceptions

1426
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,030
so

1427
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,760
one of the things i've been upset at

1428
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:15,359
uh

1429
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,079
in the intelligence community

1430
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,040
and just them opening their mouth uh and

1431
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,799
saying a few sentences i know that

1432
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,559
they've never set foot in any

1433
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,359
intelligence agency

1434
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:31,599
and they've had zero access and for

1435
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,549
portray themselves as intelligence

1436
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,960
officers i don't know it could be

1437
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,680
just notoriety or just

1438
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,839
speakers fees at conferences sell books

1439
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:47,359
i don't know

1440
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,069
have

1441
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,720
happened that

1442
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,720
will prevent people like me from coming

1443
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,520
forward because when we have true facts

1444
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,920
and those facts run up against one of

1445
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,640
these impostors saying uh

1446
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,000
that you know this isn't the way it

1447
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,040
happened this guy is is fake we're the

1448
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,040
true guys and the fake guys are saying

1449
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,359
we're fake and all of a sudden the ufo

1450
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,280
community just comes down upon us

1451
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,280
because they believe this other guy more

1452
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,440
than they truly believe the true guy

1453
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,079
um and so that's happened where i've

1454
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,680
talked to my colleagues saying why don't

1455
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,680
you come out like like i'm doing and

1456
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,960
they said no way

1457
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,640
no way i don't need to be insulted by

1458
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,000
these people who have no idea what

1459
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,599
they're talking about and they're the

1460
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,400
complete silence from those people

1461
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,720
so i hope that what i'm doing will

1462
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,440
encourage them that they if they have

1463
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,720
information

1464
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,280
there's a way to present it for everyone

1465
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,440
that's legal that's not a whistleblower

1466
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:49,760
that's not leaking information you don't

1467
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,720
want to

1468
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,240
attract the attention of counter

1469
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,880
intelligence people in the government

1470
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:57,200
by saying i work for

1471
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,040
nsa and i have this information

1472
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,960
that automatically

1473
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,480
if you're a researcher receiving that

1474
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,920
information

1475
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,839
nothing happens to you

1476
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,079
mr or ms researcher nothing happens to

1477
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,960
you in the united states possession

1478
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,359
of classifying information

1479
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,520
you can't be prosecuted for that but the

1480
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,880
person who

1481
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,440
disseminates classified information can

1482
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:23,920
be prosecuted so they look at you just

1483
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,480
to find out who you're talking to

1484
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:28,880
um so it's very dangerous

1485
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:32,319
to unless you vet that person thoroughly

1486
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,119
to

1487
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,400
gather information from outside sources

1488
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,839
because

1489
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,680
two things are happening either they're

1490
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,680
truly leaking real information and

1491
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,760
they're doing it illegally and the

1492
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,280
counterintelligence people are already

1493
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,559
on to them

1494
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,640
because you as a researcher announced

1495
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,359
that i have this and here's a slide

1496
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,160
um they're on it right away secondly

1497
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,920
it's a planned

1498
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,119
um

1499
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,880
truly planned disinformation they just

1500
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,720
want to stir the waters up

1501
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,720
just to cause mischief and there might

1502
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,880
be people who might misuse their

1503
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,520
position to cause mischief

1504
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,599
so that's that's very uh important to

1505
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,839
consider so we're going to look at mk

1506
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:13,760
ultra and what's an agent above top

1507
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,670
so mk ultra everyone knows

1508
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:20,640
actually

1509
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,520
behavioral modification

1510
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,240
and mind control might be part of it

1511
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,119
the mk part refers to an organization

1512
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,520
within cia that existed during the cold

1513
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,880
war

1514
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,359
it's the directorate of plans it's now

1515
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,680
called the directorate of operations

1516
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,680
for a brief period of time is called the

1517
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,640
national

1518
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,599
clandestine service but mk when this

1519
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,520
program was running was the directorate

1520
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,200
of plans

1521
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,119
and

1522
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,960
specifically the technical services

1523
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:54,799
division within the director of plants

1524
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,240
they ran the mk ultra program

1525
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,200
so the mk is a digraph mk ultra is what

1526
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,319
we know as a crypto nem uh for that

1527
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,440
program

1528
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:08,000
so just having mk doesn't mean it has

1529
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,359
anything to do with behavioral

1530
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:11,280
modification it just means it's a

1531
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:17,750
so let's look at some of the history now

1532
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,920
project chatter 1947 interesting date

1533
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,079
that's when they start exploring like

1534
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,160
mind control behavioral modification

1535
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,480
it's my personal speculation

1536
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:30,400
that um

1537
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,920
i'm not sure it's because the russians

1538
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,400
were doing it in 1947

1539
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,640
but it's interesting that

1540
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,920
47

1541
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,240
was about the time that the nazi

1542
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:43,440
scientists

1543
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,720
were

1544
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,480
and actually

1545
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,960
the ss officers were working

1546
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,480
alongside

1547
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,160
the cia

1548
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,240
and could it be a telepathic encounter

1549
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,720
with a roswell et survivor this is

1550
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,839
purely like speculation but 47 is an

1551
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,200
interesting

1552
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,119
date and the fact that it was first

1553
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,040
called project chatter

1554
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:07,680
was also interesting to me

1555
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:11,440
bluebird took over in 1950 artichoke 51

1556
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,559
and finally 53 was mk ultra

1557
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,640
and in case search later was about

1558
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,799
creating a truth serum for interrogating

1559
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,880
captured soviet spies but going back to

1560
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,000
ultra

1561
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,280
it studied the feasibility of lsd

1562
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,400
and

1563
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,200
it also had two goals one's offensive

1564
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,359
that is can you manipulate a foreign

1565
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:32,799
leader

1566
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,000
and defensive can we prevent

1567
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,200
the use of this manipulation can we

1568
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,520
prevent it from having an effect on our

1569
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:43,520
own leaders

1570
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:47,280
now the mk program as mk ultra

1571
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,400
ceased um in the about 19 early 70s 72

1572
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,400
thereabouts the reason why you know

1573
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,079
anything about it is because it was

1574
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,000
revealed in the um

1575
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,119
congressional investigations of cia

1576
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,520
through the church committee for example

1577
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,960
this one

1578
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,680
um the pike i think i believe it was the

1579
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,480
pike commission uh as well

1580
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,400
i might need correction on that but the

1581
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:14,799
house and the senate both investigated

1582
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,480
um cia and the mk ultra program was

1583
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:20,559
revealed

1584
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:23,760
still been ongoing

1585
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:26,880
so the program does not exist

1586
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,079
however it was a springboard to research

1587
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,000
paranormal metaphysics

1588
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,760
here's where the higher consciousness

1589
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,200
remote viewing

1590
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:38,400
psycho energetics

1591
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:43,200
catch-all phrase of being able to use

1592
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,400
your mind

1593
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:46,960
uh to expand um i would say

1594
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,400
consciousness expansion mind expansion

1595
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:52,559
um and all the effects that that might

1596
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,829
and um

1597
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,039
along with

1598
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,359
that is spoon bending it might interest

1599
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,400
you that

1600
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,760
there was a

1601
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,240
mcdonald douglas mcdonnell douglas

1602
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,079
executive in

1603
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,960
huntington beach california

1604
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,359
who invited cia officers to bend spoons

1605
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,680
with him and his name was jack hauck

1606
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:17,839
if you know melinda leslie she talks

1607
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:20,559
very much about jack hauck and she

1608
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,079
does sponsor spoon bending parties as

1609
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:27,119
well like jack did cia officers were

1610
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:28,839
engaged in spoon

1611
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,319
bending to show you how serious we were

1612
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:34,799
about the paranormal and metaphysical

1613
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,150
so we know that mk ultra is not

1614
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,160
operational today but it's

1615
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,400
what is operational is even more

1616
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,559
interesting

1617
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,400
the intelligence advanced research

1618
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,280
projects agency is the ic

1619
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:53,599
version of darpa the defense

1620
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,789
agency i guess ours is called an

1621
01:04:01,349 --> 01:04:00,160
activity

1622
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,359
um

1623
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,119
so what they're interested in

1624
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,960
among many things

1625
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:07,200
that's related to mkultra

1626
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,960
genome editing for example

1627
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,200
bioinformatics biometrics you can read

1628
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:13,839
it for yourself dna sequencing brain

1629
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:16,079
activity psychometrics

1630
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,680
there's a website where you can explore

1631
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,359
more of what they're doing

1632
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,839
and of interest to me was missed

1633
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,400
molecular information storage

1634
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:26,559
using dna to store

1635
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,319
digital data it's like william gibson's

1636
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,359
uh neuromancer johnny mnemonic coming to

1637
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:35,440
life they're actually looking at the

1638
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,309
let's look at some classifications

1639
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:46,720
above top secret there's nothing really

1640
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:49,839
above top secret it's all top secret

1641
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,640
but there are compartments that are so

1642
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,680
narrow

1643
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:56,000
and so limited as to who's read into

1644
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,799
them

1645
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,960
that for all intents and purposes they

1646
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,880
might as well be above top secret

1647
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,480
because just having a top secret

1648
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:05,200
clearance does not necessarily

1649
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,079
qualify you to have that information the

1650
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,480
one that i know related to bob fisher

1651
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,280
again is crypto the crypto clearance he

1652
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,680
claims to have had an above top secret

1653
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,000
clearance what he really meant to say is

1654
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:20,960
i had a top secret crypto clearance not

1655
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,200
many people have that

1656
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,440
so that's an example of a so-called

1657
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,520
above top secret clearance

1658
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,240
and if you look at foias you'll see a

1659
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:32,559
alphabet soup of markings

1660
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,559
the most common one is sitk no form top

1661
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,119
secret is obvious special intelligence

1662
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,880
is communications intelligence with

1663
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,079
sigin

1664
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:43,599
talent keyhole

1665
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:47,599
talent is isr is airborne sensors

1666
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:50,799
keyhole is space based sensors

1667
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:54,240
the keyhole why keyhole well the pattern

1668
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,839
that the satellites make over the earth

1669
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,240
is very much like an hourglass except

1670
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,319
the very top of that hourglass is very

1671
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,559
narrow ellipse and the bottom of that

1672
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:07,039
hourglass is a much longer

1673
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:08,079
ellipse

1674
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,520
slightly wider so it reminded uh

1675
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:14,000
in a row of keyholes so therefore they

1676
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,119
named

1677
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,960
that program keyhole that compartment

1678
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,559
keyhole

1679
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,960
no form means no foreign and that means

1680
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,200
not even to five eyes

1681
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:25,440
the british

1682
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,559
ufo files were labeled uk only no

1683
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,240
foreign which means that the british did

1684
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,559
not share its files

1685
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,200
with the us government it kept those

1686
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,119
files to

1687
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,559
itself until they were formally released

1688
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,720
let's look at cosmic

1689
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,720
i used to listen to art bill

1690
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,119
when he hosted coast to coast a.m

1691
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,039
and then he would have like either call

1692
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:51,119
in you know when he had open lines or

1693
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,960
somebody will call in as a guest

1694
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,480
claiming to have

1695
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,319
cosmic top secret clearance and they

1696
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:58,799
know all about the ufo what's going on

1697
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,039
behind the scenes and here's my story

1698
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,440
because i had cosmic top secret

1699
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,520
cosmic does not just because it's cosmic

1700
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,760
doesn't mean uh anything to do with ufos

1701
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,280
uaps

1702
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,160
cosmic refers to a nato classification

1703
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,720
it's held within nato only

1704
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,920
the us ic does not use cosmic in

1705
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,400
anything but if you look at nato

1706
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,480
documents if you foi a

1707
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,400
uh those and i don't think they have an

1708
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,160
foia process

1709
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,559
over in nato but they will have markings

1710
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,640
for cosmic so what would it contain it

1711
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,720
could contain things that are of

1712
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:34,480
vital interest to

1713
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:37,520
nato such as the movement of

1714
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,960
russian leaders back in the cold war if

1715
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,799
uh the russian leadership the communist

1716
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,359
party leadership headed for the bunkers

1717
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,760
uh the tanks from the first guards army

1718
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,079
headed for a full gap on the east german

1719
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,880
west german border so you got leadership

1720
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:55,599
getting out of town tanks on the border

1721
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,400
and you're seeing uh indications

1722
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,880
that the uh strategic rocket forces

1723
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,359
their icbms are getting ready to launch

1724
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,440
uh that that's

1725
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:07,680
cosmic importance right so that's that's

1726
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:17,829
there are no agents the cia

1727
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,600
no nsa agents nro dia nga we don't have

1728
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:23,520
agents we have officers

1729
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,199
now the fbi the dea secret service law

1730
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,440
enforcement components

1731
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:31,279
have agents

1732
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,120
but not in the intelligence community

1733
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,120
we're officers and you can read the kind

1734
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,520
of officers we are

1735
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,839
um but we're never agents so what's an

1736
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,239
agent uh it's basically

1737
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,319
a foreign citizen

1738
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,640
from another country a foreign national

1739
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:51,279
citizen of another country who for

1740
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,480
whatever reason

1741
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,239
mostly we find that

1742
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,759
folks overseas

1743
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,520
uh want to

1744
01:09:02,309 --> 01:08:59,279
help the united states

1745
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,319
for ideological purposes

1746
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,880
and they are compensated monetarily or

1747
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,560
with goods and services they have

1748
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,239
information to provide

1749
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,159
because they're in a position to provide

1750
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,319
that information to us

1751
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:14,239
and we compensate them

1752
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:17,920
accordingly now in police work

1753
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,279
it's known as a ci so a confidential

1754
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,759
informant anyone who is a police officer

1755
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,679
knows what a ci is

1756
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,759
and a police officer knows that just

1757
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,520
because the ci

1758
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,359
is providing information to the police

1759
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:34,000
department the ci is not a police

1760
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,040
officer

1761
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,000
that's the closest analogy i can give to

1762
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,480
you about why there are no agents in

1763
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,520
those big five agencies

1764
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,279
they're not

1765
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:47,759
intelligence officers

1766
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,560
and anyone claiming to be an agent for

1767
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,279
one of the intelligence agencies

1768
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,840
i would label them outright imposters

1769
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,239
because no self-respecting intelligence

1770
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,719
officer will call themselves

1771
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:03,120
an agent at all it's just it's just not

1772
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,709
now let's look at the budget a little

1773
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,480
bit and discuss a little bit about the

1774
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,719
budget in terms of how to fund something

1775
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,120
without having a budget because it comes

1776
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:19,440
out of your natural you know your normal

1777
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,640
uh

1778
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,040
budget allocations going to your agency

1779
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,840
there are two parts to the ic budget

1780
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:28,000
related to intelligence one is called

1781
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:28,800
the

1782
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,040
intelligence program

1783
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,280
now dni has recently released numbers

1784
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,600
about what those might be and they're

1785
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,400
usually input in the upper 85 to 90

1786
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,480
billion dollars per year

1787
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,239
with the majority of that

1788
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:48,400
going toward the national intelligence

1789
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,360
program

1790
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,640
not the military side the national side

1791
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,360
so that includes all of these civilian

1792
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,159
agencies

1793
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,400
and so

1794
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:02,719
the compartmentation is

1795
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,159
so tight

1796
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,480
they're competing for this money

1797
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,600
that

1798
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,440
sometimes the compartmentation is used

1799
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,400
as a tool to protect exclusive turfs you

1800
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,719
don't want someone to like trounce on

1801
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,440
your program so you keep that program

1802
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,920
secret from another

1803
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,080
uh agency

1804
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,679
because you don't want them involved for

1805
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,280
whatever reason

1806
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,840
and even within the agency one part of

1807
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,080
one agency may not know another part of

1808
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,760
the same agency he's doing that's just

1809
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,719
internal compartmentation

1810
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:36,719
so

1811
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,440
as far as dia is concerned again is the

1812
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,440
general defense intelligence program

1813
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,520
g-dip and within the g-dip it gets

1814
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:45,840
broken down into various offices

1815
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,280
within cia is the ciap the

1816
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:51,679
cia program

1817
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,400
nsa is the consolidated cryptologic

1818
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,840
program the national geospatial program

1819
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,400
these are pockets or buckets of money

1820
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,640
and inside their budgets

1821
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,880
inside these pockets of money are budget

1822
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:07,679
line items called blis budget line items

1823
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,679
and next to the budget online item is a

1824
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,600
specific program

1825
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,400
that's addressing a specific need

1826
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:15,840
you can actually if you know where to

1827
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,440
look download most of those programs

1828
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,880
they're actually

1829
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,760
most of them are not classified unless

1830
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,320
they are compartmented and i found an

1831
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,400
example of an air force compartment

1832
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,719
program which is basically a blank sheet

1833
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,880
of paper but it did have the top level

1834
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,560
number

1835
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:36,080
of how much they're spending in that

1836
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,199
program

1837
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,000
so it's not completely like

1838
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:42,239
dark i mean black it's more like shades

1839
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,709
now let's look at some space for stuff

1840
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:53,040
here russia has had space forces for a

1841
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,159
long time

1842
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,159
as part of the russian aerospace forces

1843
01:13:04,149 --> 01:12:59,120
i found an interesting quote

1844
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,159
from a russian officer sergey brish noy

1845
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,120
and he he said we are unfortunately not

1846
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,360
ready to fight extraterrestrial

1847
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,600
civilizations and he said that in all

1848
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:12,880
seriousness

1849
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,480
to a question posed by russian media

1850
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:19,120
and that's his position so um i should

1851
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,480
have sourced that one but it's an

1852
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,719
interesting it's an interesting quote

1853
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:24,719
from someone in um

1854
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:32,070
russian space infrastructure

1855
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,000
the space forces of russia is tasked

1856
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,840
with monitoring defending russia from

1857
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,840
potential threats from space

1858
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,159
the u.s space force pretty much the same

1859
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:41,520
kind of mission

1860
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:44,960
it was the 18th member of the ic

1861
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:45,760
now

1862
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,320
the u.s space force

1863
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,400
uh u.s space command

1864
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,000
is different from the u.s space force

1865
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,320
the command itself is known as a unified

1866
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,760
combatant command

1867
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,760
it's sort of like stratcom strategic

1868
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,000
command or com

1869
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,560
central command or

1870
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:06,000
socom southern command uh satcom special

1871
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,440
operations

1872
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:10,080
uh command

1873
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,280
and um

1874
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:14,719
so these commands are in time of uh of a

1875
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,840
conflict

1876
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,760
or an operation

1877
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,159
have the authority to marshal in these

1878
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,640
other other assets from these other

1879
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:23,920
services

1880
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:26,239
for that particular operation or that

1881
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,000
particular campaign so spacecom

1882
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,239
if they are activated they can reach

1883
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,040
into the u.s space force they can reach

1884
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,400
into the space assets of the u.s navy

1885
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,640
they can reach into other space assets

1886
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,480
perhaps from the nro

1887
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:44,560
to do this now wait a minute you said

1888
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,679
nro

1889
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,679
isn't that an intelligence community

1890
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,199
civilian side

1891
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,199
well the nsa

1892
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,560
the dia

1893
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,280
the nga and the nro are not only

1894
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,679
civilian intelligence agencies

1895
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,800
but

1896
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,440
they are also called

1897
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:04,239
combat support agencies

1898
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,440
so

1899
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,640
the

1900
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:09,120
secretary of defense can

1901
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,040
marshal resources from these agencies

1902
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,960
for department of defense needs because

1903
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,679
they're also combat support agencies

1904
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,360
and there's certain i've seen certain

1905
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,600
foias released where they mention combat

1906
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,440
support agencies without really

1907
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,679
mentioning who those agencies are so i

1908
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,920
just told you that it's those four

1909
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,320
agencies and that are

1910
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,960
i see as well as military agencies if

1911
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,880
they're supporting the department of

1912
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,440
defense they're combat support agencies

1913
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,520
nsa actually actually automatically

1914
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:41,520
broke it out as nsa

1915
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,040
and css you might see css

1916
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,080
the css part is the service cryptologic

1917
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,159
elements the

1918
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,000
central security service these are the

1919
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,080
uniform members of the armed forces

1920
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,560
working at nsa

1921
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,840
so

1922
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,239
that's the military side of nsa

1923
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,120
recently i saw what purports to be a

1924
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,040
memorandum for the record

1925
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,480
from nro

1926
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,800
central security services

1927
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,480
and this is the uh this is the

1928
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,000
memorandum uh

1929
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:13,920
for the record allegedly

1930
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:16,960
uh that was seen which prompted admiral

1931
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,760
wilson to seek out um

1932
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,640
more information about what's going on i

1933
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,000
believe that's the way it was pitched

1934
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,159
correct me if i'm wrong i might be wrong

1935
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:30,239
but every time i see

1936
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:31,040
a

1937
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:55,520
well the persons mentioned on the second

1938
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:58,960
page actually appeared long time ago

1939
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,920
with art bell coast coast am and mention

1940
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:03,440
the fact that they were going to rachel

1941
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,159
nevada for this meeting

1942
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,440
and um so that part's real

1943
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:11,360
and that happened a long time ago but in

1944
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,320
the 90s i guess and it was dated 91 but

1945
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,159
the front part of that just didn't seem

1946
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,800
real and the last paragraph

1947
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,480
didn't seem real it doesn't seem like

1948
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,440
the kind of memo that would be written

1949
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,360
by the nro

1950
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,120
from a non-existent social security

1951
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:29,199
service which should have been nsa

1952
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,719
i'll just leave it at that and i'd be

1953
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,040
happy to break that down for anybody

1954
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:34,800
in fact i can write a better memo that

1955
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:38,560
looks more real than that one

1956
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,310
um there's the phenomenon that occurred

1957
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,719
in the soviet union

1958
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,800
in the town of

1959
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:52,239
petro

1960
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:57,440
that many times i had two years

1961
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,640
of university russian and

1962
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,400
not very good student i guess but

1963
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:04,640
petrovados is um

1964
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,840
a town in the soviet union where some

1965
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,560
dock workers saw a huge star-like ball

1966
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,400
of light flashing out of the dark sky

1967
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,400
you can read it there spread out like a

1968
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,480
jellyfish there's a picture of what it

1969
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:18,159
looked like

1970
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,480
and it transformed into a shroud

1971
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:24,640
they mentioned the uh the colors that

1972
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,760
looked like it hovered over the city and

1973
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,440
sent out these numerous thing arrays as

1974
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,800
you see in a picture

1975
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,040
there happened to be a task news agency

1976
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,800
reporter present

1977
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:37,040
and i believe that may have been sourced

1978
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,159
to that

1979
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,560
news agency reporter but it was seen by

1980
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:43,120
police officers sailors and ambulance

1981
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,920
crew

1982
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:46,000
as eyewitnesses as well as just normal

1983
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,440
everyday citizens

1984
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:50,239
upi then took that report and then

1985
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,040
published it here in the u.s russians

1986
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,480
report ufo

1987
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,800
like star over city

1988
01:19:02,630 --> 01:18:59,600
james oberg is a nasty engineer

1989
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:02,640
and he believed that the petrol

1990
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,080
zova-dusk phenomenon was a test of the

1991
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,120
fractional orbital bombardment system

1992
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:11,280
well the last time now keep in mind that

1993
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:14,560
this happened in 1977 the last time the

1994
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,840
soviet union tested the fobs or fobs

1995
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,880
system

1996
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,840
it was in 1971 six years prior they

1997
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,080
abandoned the program so you can't

1998
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:27,120
attribute what was seen here to this

1999
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,550
and it will study by both soviet

2000
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,400
scientists and the u.s intelligence

2001
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,430
both on the soviet side and the u.s side

2002
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,120
we observed that there was an

2003
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:45,360
association with a certain missile the

2004
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,239
ss20 saber which was an intermediate

2005
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,960
range ballistic missile this missile was

2006
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,239
designed

2007
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,080
for nato for nato countries that was

2008
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,000
designed to be deployed from the us to

2009
01:20:02,790 --> 01:19:59,760
strike targets in nato as part of a

2010
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,800
european war a nuclear war in nato

2011
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,719
it was not designed to reach across the

2012
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,800
ocean it was not an icbm it could not

2013
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,560
have touched the us

2014
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,960
but our allies would have been at risk

2015
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,880
so every time the russians were not

2016
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,120
every time but many times when the

2017
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,520
russians would test the ss20 saber here

2018
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,400
comes these domes of light

2019
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,080
also appearing

2020
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:24,800
now nasik's predecessor ftd they still

2021
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,280
stuck with the fact that

2022
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,880
according to them

2023
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,480
they thought the dome of light could be

2024
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,960
a missile countermeasure to obscure

2025
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,199
the numbers and directories of a soviet

2026
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:37,360
nuclear missile attack

2027
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,560
um

2028
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,480
and the dome of light

2029
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:43,199
was used by senator jesse helms of north

2030
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,920
carolina he actually used the phrase

2031
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:47,440
dome of light

2032
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:48,320
um

2033
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:51,440
in a comment he made

2034
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:53,199
that's how we got to know it as the

2035
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,030
there are domes of light associated with

2036
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:03,760
more recent russian missiles the ss25

2037
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,360
and 27 topple and toppo m

2038
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:10,239
they did use a similar technology to

2039
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,270
but

2040
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,760
the phenomenon we know as petros of a

2041
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,199
dusk

2042
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,440
was eight years earlier

2043
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,440
than this first test launch

2044
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,960
of these missiles and the ss-20 tests

2045
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,440
that occurred occurred much earlier than

2046
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:33,760
these missiles

2047
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,199
the avanguard which is the russian

2048
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:39,679
hypersonic glide vehicle

2049
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,880
can fly at mach 27 and it creates a kind

2050
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,760
of a

2051
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,320
plasma field around it

2052
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:48,480
as it skirts the upper atmosphere it

2053
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,629
and so

2054
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,800
there's no such thing when the petrols

2055
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,560
of a dusk phenomenon occurred four

2056
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,639
decades earlier

2057
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:02,000
if you viewed

2058
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:07,910
gathering

2059
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:10,159
hosted

2060
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,000
by mr greer dr greer you have timo faye

2061
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,719
egeroff as one of the guests

2062
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,199
and he said that the petrols of a dusk

2063
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:21,840
phenomenon is considered by russia to be

2064
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:24,080
a true uap

2065
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,159
and uh just trivia every december 26th

2066
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,920
and i just picked two dates

2067
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:32,639
the soviet union and now russia uh

2068
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,320
launches one of their major ballistic

2069
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,880
missiles because no one's at home that

2070
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,719
is home

2071
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:40,560
in the ic they're all we are all on

2072
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,679
vacation

2073
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,520
we have a watch office probably and we

2074
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,520
take care of it the next day but

2075
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,840
they have a habit of launching missiles

2076
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:50,159
on december 26 the day aft after

2077
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,910
okay so let's look at some dod

2078
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,199
collection

2079
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,920
um isr is intelligence surveillance and

2080
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,920
reconnaissance

2081
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,760
there are several isr craft and we're

2082
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:07,199
talk we're going to talk about cobra

2083
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,159
ball

2084
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:10,880
a

2085
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:31,600
he could see out of the cockpit window

2086
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,120
and it radiated at 6 200 miles per hour

2087
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,120
outward

2088
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,040
the cobra ball was designed to collect

2089
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,800
against russian missile tests over

2090
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,480
kamchatka

2091
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:45,040
that's where it flies and unfortunately

2092
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,719
this is the plane that the russians

2093
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,960
mistook

2094
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,840
when it shot down the korean airliner

2095
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,600
they thought they were going after cobra

2096
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:55,679
ball instead they tragically shot down

2097
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,189
and another bob fish

2098
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:07,440
insert here if i may

2099
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,880
bob fish described the wc-135

2100
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,719
as a weather plane

2101
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:14,400
the wc-135

2102
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:17,920
is not a weather plane it is an isr

2103
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,320
aircraft and its job is to collect radio

2104
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,080
nucleotides

2105
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:26,560
nuclear particles suspended in the

2106
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,679
atmosphere

2107
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,480
especially after a suspected nuclear

2108
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,520
test

2109
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:33,520
in fact they can still collect

2110
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,120
signatures from very old nuclear tests

2111
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,760
this you can still collect um and

2112
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,080
determine what test it was from by

2113
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,520
breaking out

2114
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,639
the 18 components of regular nuclear

2115
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,480
nucleotides that

2116
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,199
nuclear ah i can't pronounce it excuse

2117
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:54,000
me but there are 18 components that they

2118
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:56,840
can collect and the

2119
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,159
radionuclides okay 18 components um that

2120
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,159
can tell you uh the mixture or the

2121
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,480
formula of that nuclear device and they

2122
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,639
can then correlate it to something that

2123
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:08,880
occurred uh in the past

2124
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:15,590
uh

2125
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,480
jumbo

2126
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,239
machisadek

2127
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,920
a spiritual visionary esoteric

2128
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,320
researcher wrote a book in 2003 called

2129
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:24,320
living in the heart

2130
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,000
and in it he on chapter on page 50

2131
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,400
he described

2132
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:32,480
an interesting conversation he had with

2133
01:26:21,189 --> 01:25:33,199
a

2134
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,199
dispute

2135
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:23,280
something that i wasn't there to either

2136
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,320
say or

2137
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,480
or not say that was true but i take him

2138
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,560
at his word that this happened

2139
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,199
so i think it's interesting that um

2140
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,040
that the air force major said this the

2141
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,960
makisa deck and that's that's a person

2142
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,280
that i think people should interview and

2143
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,280
say exactly you know what what else did

2144
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,800
the major tell you

2145
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,400
there are two satellites that could do

2146
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,080
this are the defense support program

2147
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,040
solids dsp and the newer cbers or

2148
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:48,880
space-based infrared system

2149
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,760
the dsp program is fading away they're

2150
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,080
very old satellites and

2151
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,719
eventually be replaced by siebers as the

2152
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,159
constellation

2153
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,239
for launch detection

2154
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,430
and the uh russians also

2155
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,120
collected against the dome of lights

2156
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,310
radars a collection against uaps in fact

2157
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:17,120
against radars there was a

2158
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,040
interview with a major general alex saif

2159
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:23,600
and he said that the soviet leadership

2160
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:29,030
ordered that

2161
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,520
certain devices such as

2162
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,280
field delights which is basically just

2163
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,679
an instrumented telescope a ranged

2164
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,600
instrumentation telescope radar stations

2165
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,600
be used

2166
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,960
to

2167
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,800
make contact

2168
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,800
the special military loads these are the

2169
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,639
missile launches

2170
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,760
that carry uh not real warheads but

2171
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,400
for lack of better term dummy warheads

2172
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,480
and when the russians would like launch

2173
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,719
one of these uh missiles with a dummy

2174
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:58,000
warhead

2175
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,000
uaps would show up and

2176
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,679
these objects were recorded in

2177
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:05,600
instrumented data because these these

2178
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:08,560
radars are very good at

2179
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,960
detecting

2180
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,679
re-entry vehicles from russian missiles

2181
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,679
so they're very good at looking at very

2182
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,639
fast

2183
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:18,560
very small objects traveling at great

2184
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,679
speeds

2185
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,920
and it's not classified to say that for

2186
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:23,280
example

2187
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,639
within the

2188
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,360
the russian capabilities also there was

2189
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,000
a mark 21 warhead that was associated

2190
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:31,920
with the peacekeeper icbm which is no

2191
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,520
longer in service

2192
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,880
and the air force released some

2193
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,080
information about it the uh that warhead

2194
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,840
the reentry vehicle

2195
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,199
actually enters the atmosphere at 7.9

2196
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,560
kilometers per second and these radars

2197
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:48,880
have no trouble at whatsoever tracking

2198
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,189
this is called the neiman p

2199
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,270
the left side is a transmitter the right

2200
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,440
side is a receiver

2201
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,360
and it was seen tracking anomalous

2202
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,600
phenomenon in fact the russians say we

2203
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,520
use this radar to track anomalous

2204
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,440
phenomenon and they gave a lot of

2205
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,000
information about this so i can say in

2206
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:12,560
general terms that this is an s-band

2207
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,679
radar and s-band means two two gigahertz

2208
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:17,440
to four gigahertz

2209
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,400
um

2210
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:20,800
as radar frequencies it works somewhere

2211
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:23,280
in that range of frequencies there's

2212
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:26,880
another interesting radar i believe

2213
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,360
that is the an spy 1 radar the aegis

2214
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:33,040
fire control radar

2215
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,120
that also is an s-band radar

2216
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:38,880
and so the navy guys can correct me if

2217
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,880
i'm wrong but i believe i'm accurate in

2218
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,159
saying that

2219
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,080
the uh

2220
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,400
spy-1 radar on the uss princeton

2221
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:48,800
operated in that frequency range that

2222
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,480
this neiman p radar operated in the

2223
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:54,480
petra ballistic missile early warning

2224
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,760
radar uh these ra these radars is it's a

2225
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,760
system of radars in the periphery of the

2226
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,120
soviet union

2227
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,199
and uh they're there to look for

2228
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:05,120
ballistic missile launches from the us a

2229
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,560
ballistic missile early warning that's

2230
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,080
what it is

2231
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,800
they also can detect satellites and

2232
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,400
compare the satellites to known

2233
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,800
ephemeris or known orbital paths of

2234
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:17,280
those satellites and identify them

2235
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:18,960
well sometimes they collected things

2236
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,679
that they could not identified

2237
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,280
and they weren't missiles

2238
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:24,719
they thought there were missiles and

2239
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,600
they went to a high state of readiness

2240
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:30,159
they were not missiles and they realized

2241
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:36,070
and they continue to collect um or

2242
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:37,120
detect

2243
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,080
certain types of objects like that

2244
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:42,159
which were of interest to the soviet

2245
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:51,189
and these radars operated in vhf

2246
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:53,280
um let's say between 100 and 200

2247
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:55,120
megahertz that's what the best i can

2248
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,800
give you

2249
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,560
because they're still like exact

2250
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,080
frequencies are

2251
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,639
sensitive

2252
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:04,239
how about china

2253
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:05,280
this is

2254
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,080
another satellite another slide

2255
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:10,159
that i thought would be redacted

2256
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:13,679
it's not known but discoverable

2257
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:14,719
that

2258
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,840
the cia had these

2259
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,159
collection sites in iran

2260
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,239
even through the early periods of the

2261
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,480
islamic republic of iran these

2262
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:27,040
collection sites existed

2263
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,040
but this we lost them in 79 when senator

2264
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,840
gary hart of colorado

2265
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,679
when he

2266
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:37,600
discovered that you know the the

2267
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,320
government of iran changed hands

2268
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:42,639
he said what about those cia guys up

2269
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,520
there

2270
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:46,000
in the north and he said that in a in a

2271
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:47,280
public way

2272
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:48,960
and that embarrassed the iranian

2273
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:51,199
government and so um

2274
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,800
we were kicked out of the country

2275
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:54,639
otherwise we wouldn't i think we've

2276
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:56,400
still been fined there

2277
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,199
um

2278
01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,360
but we we got kicked out and these uh

2279
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:02,159
collection facilities were there to

2280
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,600
um collect intelligence on soviet icbm

2281
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:07,760
and missile tests from the mountains of

2282
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:10,800
northern iran so without them um where

2283
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,440
do we go well we approached china

2284
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:15,520
that's right the people's republic of

2285
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,040
china our erzual adversary

2286
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:21,679
we approach them with a proposal that we

2287
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,719
build

2288
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,040
uh these collection facilities

2289
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:26,960
on their territory

2290
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,440
uh close enough to the soviet border so

2291
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:31,360
that we get a good view of the missile

2292
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,239
launches and the missile impacts

2293
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:36,239
and the chinese agreed

2294
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,120
um and i listed the sources of that

2295
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,440
information the open sources of

2296
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:42,960
information

2297
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,040
it leaked fairly early but we never

2298
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:46,639
acknowledged it now we do now

2299
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:48,000
acknowledge that there was such a

2300
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:49,280
program

2301
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:50,239
where

2302
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,000
cia technical officers from the

2303
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,480
directorate of science and technology

2304
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:57,040
worked with the chinese counterparts in

2305
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:59,040
the people's liberation army side by

2306
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,000
side

2307
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,800
collecting against russian missiles

2308
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:04,560
and yours truly was one of those

2309
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,679
officers who worked with the chinese

2310
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:09,360
directly

2311
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:11,440
and spent a lot of time with the chinese

2312
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:13,760
even instructed chinese and

2313
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:16,159
how to analyze radar signals it was all

2314
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,960
like

2315
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:18,480
authorized

2316
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:21,199
transfer of intelligence information

2317
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:24,639
because our target was the soviet union

2318
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,080
at that time

2319
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,320
a bigger target

2320
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:31,280
and so that program existed and as far

2321
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:33,760
as i know i don't know what what the

2322
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,000
status of that program is but

2323
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,239
there were sensors there that could have

2324
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,159
tracked the domes of light and we

2325
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,760
briefed them on everything they wanted

2326
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,440
to know everything what we put in their

2327
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:47,679
country we have to tell them this is for

2328
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:49,360
this and that's for that

2329
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:53,120
and so um they knew about uaps they also

2330
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,000
had

2331
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:56,320
some indication i believe that these

2332
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:57,920
things were flying over their skies

2333
01:34:02,149 --> 01:33:59,840
before we showed up

2334
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:02,159
but nothing happens in china unless it's

2335
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:03,920
sanctioned by the communist party you

2336
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:05,360
just cannot

2337
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,320
set up a uap you cannot have a mufon in

2338
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,239
china unless the communist party says

2339
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,239
you can have a mufon in china

2340
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:14,719
so the ufo china society

2341
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,199
was there to continue scientific study

2342
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,199
so they were informed

2343
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:21,760
that these are real

2344
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:30,229
now let's go to the galactic federation

2345
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:31,840
and as you can see i'm just jumping all

2346
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,360
over the place because i want to cover a

2347
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,199
lot of a lot of things

2348
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:37,199
um

2349
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,719
ashad is not a nasa guy in israel a lot

2350
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,560
of folks thought he's this nasa guy you

2351
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,320
know like the nasa administrator of

2352
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,199
israel he wasn't he's closer to being

2353
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,840
the counterpart to the director of nro

2354
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:52,000
and he as you know made these statements

2355
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,880
about

2356
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,199
the existence of a

2357
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,440
galactic federation and the fact that

2358
01:35:04,709 --> 01:34:59,920
the u.s government knows the about the

2359
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,270
and it was remote viewed um january 13

2360
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,960
1988 and there's the url if you want to

2361
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:12,239
pull that up

2362
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:15,920
uh in the uh notes uh it said that the

2363
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,040
the interviewer facilitator was e d

2364
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:21,760
and the remote viewer was mr

2365
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,880
um so ed could have been major ed dames

2366
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,960
you know him from being a frequent guest

2367
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,719
on coast coast am

2368
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,239
and mr

2369
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:32,320
is likely to have been the late mel

2370
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:35,360
riley it's a fascinating report

2371
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,800
of being led into a chamber

2372
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:41,040
and having robed figures all around and

2373
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:43,199
having to lie down

2374
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:49,830
did roswell really happen

2375
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,560
well this is uh brandon chase chase

2376
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,199
brandon sorry chase brandon he was a

2377
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,080
very senior officer in cia

2378
01:36:02,149 --> 01:35:59,920
he was in the director of operations

2379
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:02,159
part of cia and that's that's publicly

2380
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,760
known

2381
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,199
and he wrote a book called kryptos

2382
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:07,760
conundrum

2383
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:10,880
and it's about his take on what happened

2384
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:13,119
at roswell but he went way back he went

2385
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,800
back to the

2386
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:17,119
atlantis he traced it all the way

2387
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,159
through

2388
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,880
he called

2389
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,239
chalmers

2390
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,040
who had past lives

2391
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,960
in these various eras

2392
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,960
in uh earth history going back to the

2393
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:30,960
city of atlantis and there were some

2394
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,600
interesting details in here

2395
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:35,920
now chase originally went on coast coast

2396
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:39,119
am and he talked to the press about

2397
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,719
discovering this

2398
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,159
defiles

2399
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,119
about roswell and he stated

2400
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:46,800
publicly on the air

2401
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,679
that

2402
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:50,480
there was a crash and there were bodies

2403
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,480
and there were not human bodies

2404
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:54,239
so he stated that

2405
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:57,119
uh and cia heard that and said chase you

2406
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:58,480
can't say that

2407
01:37:02,550 --> 01:36:59,360
um

2408
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,560
so you need to do uh you you can't just

2409
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,639
go on the air and say that so chase said

2410
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,159
i'm gonna write a book i'm going to i'm

2411
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:08,400
going to write a book and so he he wrote

2412
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,440
a book

2413
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,920
called kryptos conundrum and his

2414
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,400
interview with these um was about the

2415
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:16,080
same time the books was ready to be

2416
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:17,440
published

2417
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:19,840
so does that so did he just say that so

2418
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:21,760
that it gives more credence to his book

2419
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,400
or did he say something of significance

2420
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,560
in the book well if you read the book i

2421
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:28,960
mean he says some things many things of

2422
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,119
significance for example that these ufos

2423
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,280
start from the water fly out in the sky

2424
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,119
and come back into the water and that

2425
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:39,760
they're called usos when they do that

2426
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,199
and he wrote this back in 2012

2427
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,880
so i found that to be interesting that

2428
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,040
he would say that

2429
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,239
but he says that the cover-up was about

2430
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:52,480
hiding the fact that

2431
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:55,920
um there were alien forces

2432
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:02,470
ancestors of atlantis on the earth and

2433
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,639
the government knows about this that was

2434
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:05,679
this whole

2435
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,920
thing about the book so read the book

2436
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:09,040
and just

2437
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:10,719
hold it lightly you know just hold it

2438
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,600
lightly it is it is uh more of a science

2439
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,600
fiction book but this guy was kind of

2440
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:16,960
informed

2441
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,239
now uh for you you guys have seen uh men

2442
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,080
in black the movie men in black with uh

2443
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,000
tommy lee jones

2444
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,400
what's the connection to chase uh chase

2445
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,560
brandon their first cousins

2446
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:30,400
and chase brandon was the hollywood

2447
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:34,000
liaison officer uh he helped hollywood

2448
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:35,119
um

2449
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,159
with scripps of making it more realistic

2450
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,590
having the

2451
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:44,480
production crew and the actors to cia

2452
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:46,960
headquarters to see cia officers at work

2453
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,229
act like our cia officer and

2454
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:57,440
sort of like have a more better story

2455
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,750
robert gates said that uh hey i have a

2456
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,199
respect for chase and i'm not going to

2457
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:07,600
question what chase says he didn't say

2458
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,719
what chase said was bs or wrong or he's

2459
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:12,560
crazy he didn't say that

2460
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,760
um in fact he said uh

2461
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,040
that uh

2462
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,440
he can't you know he's not gonna say

2463
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,360
either way whether it's right or wrong

2464
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:23,280
uh that chase may have made it up or not

2465
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:30,390
so this pretty much shows that cia

2466
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,440
doesn't

2467
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,000
think ufos are fake because on the cia

2468
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:37,679
website if you go to that url

2469
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:38,800
you'll see

2470
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,440
tips on how to investigate a ufo and

2471
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,760
they use the lami lani zamora incident

2472
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,080
of april 24-64

2473
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,480
as the exemplar this is how you

2474
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,280
investigate a ufo nowhere on that page

2475
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,360
if you read it yourself do they say that

2476
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,600
ufos are fake

2477
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,119
that they're actually

2478
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:58,560
our aircraft

2479
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,440
or that they're anything like swamp gas

2480
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:03,199
weather balloons all the above no they

2481
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:05,760
say this is how you investigate a ufo

2482
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,800
and by the way the lani zamora incident

2483
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:10,960
seemed to be a very credible

2484
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,159
incident

2485
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:14,320
so you can go ahead and look at that and

2486
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,830
and then of course you have the former

2487
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,280
directors

2488
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,600
of the national intelligence and center

2489
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,960
intelligence

2490
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,480
that there are a lot more sightings than

2491
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,560
have been made public

2492
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,719
and that's from an informed way of

2493
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:32,639
saying that there's a lot more sightings

2494
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,480
than the 143 plus balloon

2495
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:38,960
that were not made public

2496
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,440
and of course uh ambassador woolsey

2497
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:43,520
related uh the story of his

2498
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,040
pilot friend

2499
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,360
his plane stopping at midair at 40 000

2500
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:48,880
feet

2501
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:52,719
and uh uh cia director brennan

2502
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,800
went on to say that it's something that

2503
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,159
we don't understand the type of

2504
01:41:03,990 --> 01:40:58,239
phenomena we don't understand

2505
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,750
now we come to personal speculations

2506
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:08,000
this is the history part

2507
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,199
okay

2508
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:12,000
paper clip used to be called overcast

2509
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:13,840
and changed names to paperclip

2510
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,400
the german german germany surrendered

2511
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,679
early early may 45 we know that but

2512
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:21,199
immediately thereafter there was the

2513
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,159
joint intelligence objectives agency

2514
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:26,560
started to operate to collect the nazi

2515
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,199
archives and locate nazi scientists

2516
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:31,679
and who helped them well it was the nazi

2517
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,080
party officials and ss officers

2518
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:35,679
in fact uh

2519
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:38,960
waffen ss troops from the 15th 19th and

2520
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,600
20th waffen ss divisions uh from the

2521
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,159
baltic states switched uniforms wore

2522
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,560
american uniforms and guarded

2523
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:48,639
their former masters

2524
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:51,280
high officials in the nazi party

2525
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,750
so

2526
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,920
the first group of nazi scientists

2527
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,239
arrive in the fall 45 and there's the

2528
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,480
happy group photo of them at fort bliss

2529
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:05,040
and 46

2530
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:08,719
so we have a paperclip running

2531
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,080
we have

2532
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:12,000
j

2533
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,880
this data about

2534
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,159
um

2535
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:20,320
what's in the nazi archives

2536
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,000
well somewhere in there truman was

2537
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,320
briefed about the nazi obs obsession

2538
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:26,960
with bloodlines and hybridization

2539
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:30,000
they were really interested about this

2540
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,800
so

2541
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,639
i had to speculate that the did the

2542
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,560
german scientists reveal the existence

2543
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,679
of a human hybrid breakaway civilization

2544
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,800
um

2545
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,560
that they revealed uh that they

2546
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,239
researched uh trying to research

2547
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,119
reproducing uh advanced technology

2548
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:47,520
hybrid advanced technology

2549
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,560
and they uh revealed uh their research

2550
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,960
into a superior civilization of ancient

2551
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,199
origin that's still on earth

2552
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,520
and off to the right side you see the

2553
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,760
two vehicles there

2554
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,119
that um

2555
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,840
well the only industrial country

2556
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,440
with an industrial base that's viable

2557
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,679
after world war ii is united states

2558
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,639
and supposing that there were some plans

2559
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,840
or blueprints or whatever you want to

2560
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,400
call them of these two top vehicles

2561
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,400
that's up to speculation i don't know

2562
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,639
but the bottom one definitely uh was a

2563
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:21,280
vehicle uh it was taken to um

2564
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,920
to uh right pat

2565
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,000
t2 intelligence

2566
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:29,360
and um so the horton 229 is an actual

2567
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:32,000
actual craft and doesn't it look like

2568
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:37,990
so what was that organization running

2569
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:40,159
around the world uh trying to find uh

2570
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:42,320
evidence of uh

2571
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:45,119
of the hybrid civilizations

2572
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,880
uh it was the deutsches uh

2573
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,800
an enerby

2574
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:53,440
they investigate the uh supposed call

2575
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:56,880
occult hidden occult origins

2576
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:59,040
uh of the german race occult does not

2577
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:01,520
mean demonic it just means hidden

2578
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:03,840
um so they wanted to link the german

2579
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,040
ancestry of the aryan race to

2580
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,600
the inhabitants of atlantis

2581
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,000
and they believe that the

2582
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:14,480
when atlantis was destroyed that the

2583
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:16,480
survivors of atlanta spread across the

2584
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,000
earth

2585
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,480
onto the new world for example they went

2586
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:22,800
everywhere looking for these survivors

2587
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,360
of atlantis they went strangely enough

2588
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,600
to the antarctic

2589
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,000
antarctica looking for evidence

2590
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,400
artifacts that they existed

2591
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,800
did they find them i don't know

2592
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,119
um but they uh

2593
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,440
supported these expeditions they were

2594
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:42,159
into these occult practices psychic

2595
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,679
phenomenon and unfortunately conducted

2596
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,280
tragically conducting these human

2597
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:49,440
genetic experiments

2598
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:52,560
in the concentration camps

2599
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:53,840
of trying to

2600
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:01,750
and there's a picture of them with

2601
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,800
tibetan dignitaries in lhasa in 38.

2602
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,639
so how are you going to hide all of this

2603
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:11,040
from becoming public

2604
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,639
well one way is to create an

2605
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:14,080
intelligence

2606
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:17,119
agency and at that time in january of 46

2607
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,639
now mind you

2608
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:20,480
may of 45

2609
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,520
we have nazi ss officers assisting the

2610
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:26,159
u.s government with finding information

2611
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:28,639
that's in the nazi archives some of that

2612
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:31,760
information uh it was regard to

2613
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,719
uh their research into uh atlantean

2614
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:36,400
civilizations and to breakaway

2615
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,400
civilizations uh advanced human hybrids

2616
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:42,000
and how do you hide that well you need

2617
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,440
an intelligence

2618
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,719
organization called the central

2619
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,320
intelligence group which was founded in

2620
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,679
january of 46

2621
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:51,360
beginning of the year

2622
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,719
in 46

2623
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:54,480
and its purpose was to hide the

2624
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:57,119
association of the u.s government and

2625
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,600
these former nazi officers

2626
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:01,920
they classified the exploitation of

2627
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:03,920
advanced technology

2628
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:05,920
uh gleaned from

2629
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,600
the nazi archives

2630
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:09,920
and this creation of this national

2631
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,719
intelligence authority and this central

2632
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,040
intelligence group was the birth of the

2633
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,679
modern national security state

2634
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,920
whereas paperclip brought over 1600

2635
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:21,199
nazis

2636
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:26,560
actually worked for cig and see i later

2637
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:30,320
cia they were spies for the cia and we

2638
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:32,719
sent him back into europe into

2639
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,080
europe to

2640
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:36,080
uh spy against the the russians they

2641
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,560
were more easily able

2642
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:41,040
to assimilate into east european

2643
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,400
countries

2644
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,159
and of course the famous one was general

2645
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,040
uh reinhardt gellen

2646
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:52,149
was sent back to help establish the west

2647
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:55,520
german intelligence service the b

2648
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,790
now let's go up to roswell now with all

2649
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:04,560
that history behind now you know that

2650
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,920
okay the cia the cig i was working with

2651
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:09,840
nazis and that

2652
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,520
the

2653
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:13,920
part of that work was recovering uh

2654
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,400
artifacts recovering technology that the

2655
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,080
nazis were working on and now we have

2656
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,669
not to say that roswell was german

2657
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:25,040
technology

2658
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,760
not to say that but let's look at it

2659
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:30,480
um so there was an eyewitness account mr

2660
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:32,000
mrs wilmot

2661
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:33,520
um

2662
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:37,679
what they described on july the 2nd

2663
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:40,000
looked very much like what we would call

2664
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,280
uap

2665
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,159
the object that glowed from the inside

2666
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:46,880
not as if it was lit from the outside

2667
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,000
traveling very fast and very high with

2668
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,239
no sound

2669
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,639
now that happened on july the 2nd on

2670
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:56,080
july the 8th

2671
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,880
i comes in the newspaper article

2672
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,639
the second and 8th it was a long period

2673
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:02,080
of time

2674
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:03,360
now

2675
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:06,080
i don't believe that the recovery of

2676
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,440
these objects occurred after july 8th

2677
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:11,520
i believe the recovery of the objects

2678
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:15,119
happened prior to july the 8th

2679
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:17,679
and i cannot prove that because i have

2680
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,119
not gone into the cig foia

2681
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,040
i don't know if there is a cig for you

2682
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,159
maybe it's held by the cia

2683
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:28,560
maybe that was the information that

2684
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,560
chase brandon found

2685
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:32,159
in the historical intelligence

2686
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:33,520
collection

2687
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:34,639
but

2688
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:36,159
going from there

2689
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:37,840
um

2690
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,719
there was some foreknowledge i believe

2691
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:42,080
that there was such

2692
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,679
uh craft

2693
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:46,639
that the nazis were interested in

2694
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:47,440
and

2695
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:51,040
who flew the craft i don't know they

2696
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,960
weren't human i don't believe

2697
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,719
i have not seen the files that chase

2698
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:56,639
brandon saw

2699
01:49:02,870 --> 01:48:59,360
what could have been could have been the

2700
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,950
that were that was flown

2701
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,440
with hybrids on board i don't know

2702
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:09,760
that's just pure speculation on my part

2703
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,920
i'm just trying to connect dots and some

2704
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,159
dots sort of like our outliers and can't

2705
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,760
be connected

2706
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,280
but this is the way i'm trying to sort

2707
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,440
it in my own mind you absolutely do not

2708
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:21,440
have to believe anything i say you can

2709
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:27,589
so finally we come to uh later on in

2710
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,440
july

2711
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:31,679
a law created the cia in what was called

2712
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:35,199
the national military establishment

2713
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:37,840
the department of defense didn't wasn't

2714
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:41,440
named until august the 1049.

2715
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:45,119
between right after roswell through uh

2716
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,400
uh

2717
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:48,560
august of 49 it was the national

2718
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:51,920
military establishment

2719
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,480
that was created um and was of interest

2720
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,719
was the fiscal year in the modern

2721
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:00,159
roswell era

2722
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,239
between july 1st 47 and july 3048.

2723
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:05,920
fiscal years that year where the

2724
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,760
government gets funded right now it's

2725
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,639
october 1st to september 30th that the

2726
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:12,560
government is supposed to be funded if

2727
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:14,800
congress is able to put a bill

2728
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:16,960
in time for the president's signature

2729
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,440
before october 1st i don't know when was

2730
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,040
the last time that happened but be that

2731
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:23,679
as in may let's go back to may of 48

2732
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,040
when they had the armed services

2733
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,119
procurement act

2734
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,000
it provided defense agencies

2735
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,360
a means of non-competitive practices

2736
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:35,679
sole source defense contracts where the

2737
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,719
pentagon would go to one person or a one

2738
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,000
contractor

2739
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:42,000
one entity saying you got the contract

2740
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,000
we're not competing it

2741
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,480
and it can hide the budget this law

2742
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,239
allowed the government to hide the

2743
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:51,280
budget of these social source contracts

2744
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,599
and that greatly increased the power and

2745
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,159
influence of defense contractors

2746
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:58,159
and that is the start

2747
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:58,960
in

2748
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,440
may of 48 that birthed the modern

2749
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,760
military industrial complex

2750
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,080
it did not start with eisenhower giving

2751
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:09,360
that speech he had to live with this

2752
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,719
as a reality that these contractors had

2753
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:14,239
so much power

2754
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,229
and you've probably heard the existence

2755
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:24,880
of the rogue programs

2756
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,040
my argument is the programs aren't

2757
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,040
necessarily rogue i don't believe that

2758
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,199
there are rogue programs i do believe

2759
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:33,520
there are unacknowledged programs

2760
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:36,000
but there are laws on the books

2761
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,239
like title 10

2762
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,159
section 119

2763
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:42,320
that allows

2764
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:44,960
these types of programs to exist

2765
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,679
out of sight out of mind

2766
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:48,800
and

2767
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:53,040
there's an executive order 13 526

2768
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,599
recently i think most recently updated

2769
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,440
by president obama i don't know if

2770
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,199
president trump or president biden had

2771
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:01,440
done anything with 13

2772
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,480
526 but this executive order

2773
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:06,159
uh based on

2774
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:09,760
uh us code 10 section 119 allows for

2775
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:13,440
carveouts and unacknowledged saps

2776
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,149
however

2777
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,080
having said that

2778
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,920
don't even think for a moment that no

2779
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,480
one knows what's in them because in the

2780
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,920
house armed

2781
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,599
house appropriations committee there's a

2782
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:31,840
subcommittee that actually can't look

2783
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:34,960
into these unacknowledged saps

2784
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,520
and though they may be unacknowledged

2785
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:38,800
they're going to be called something

2786
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:43,440
else as a cover name for something else

2787
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,199
and that cover name is going to have a

2788
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,199
dollar figure behind it

2789
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,199
so they're not truly unacknowledged in

2790
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:50,880
that sense

2791
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,679
and uh believe it or not the

2792
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:55,920
subcommittee members in the uh that

2793
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:57,760
particular appropriations committee are

2794
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,800
cleared an extremely high level they

2795
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,400
probably have more

2796
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:04,719
tickets or compartments than i had i had

2797
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:07,360
26 when i retired and signed off on all

2798
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:10,400
26 read out but they probably have as

2799
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:13,119
many as they need to do their job

2800
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:15,840
and so who knows

2801
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:21,750
okay now we had

2802
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,639
mcminnville oregon case now you probably

2803
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,800
familiar with this particular craft with

2804
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:29,760
the conning tower on top

2805
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,719
it appeared in life magazine july 26

2806
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,599
1950 it was the trent's photograph

2807
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:37,520
photographs that appeared

2808
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:40,000
this case has never been successfully

2809
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,199
debunked

2810
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:43,199
and if you want to read great analysis

2811
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,719
on this case

2812
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,960
look at richard dolan's work

2813
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,280
richard dolan's work on the mcminnville

2814
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:51,599
case is head and shoulders above

2815
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:53,360
anything i've ever read

2816
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,520
very impressive

2817
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:57,760
and so look at that it's never ever been

2818
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:01,840
debunked not even by the u.s government

2819
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,800
this has not been debunked

2820
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:06,880
so let's fast forward a little bit and

2821
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:09,119
some background information

2822
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:10,639
so we know that it was seen in

2823
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,400
mcminnville oregon

2824
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:13,920
now on

2825
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,719
april 30th 2005

2826
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:18,239
a satellite

2827
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,159
on national reconnaissance office launch

2828
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:23,520
number 16 satellite payload was launched

2829
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:27,599
on a titan 4b this was a icbm

2830
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,440
missile that was converted for space

2831
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:31,679
launch in fact during the gemini program

2832
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,400
the titan was converted to launch gemini

2833
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,960
astronauts so here's the titan 4b

2834
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:38,960
launching the last one to carry a

2835
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:41,840
payload up into space it was the 30th

2836
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,880
titan

2837
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,159
uh 4b

2838
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,239
to carry anything up into space for the

2839
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,840
national reconnaissance office

2840
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:51,280
so there's two

2841
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,679
uh titan four bees left

2842
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:55,920
one went to the national museum the air

2843
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,239
force a right pat that makes sense it's

2844
01:55:01,430 --> 01:55:00,400
the national air force museum you want

2845
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,440
one there

2846
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,400
the other one went to of all places an

2847
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:06,960
obscure air and space museum aviation

2848
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:10,719
and space museum and mcminnville oregon

2849
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,199
think about that

2850
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,280
not the national air space museum

2851
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:17,679
washington d.c

2852
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,320
we have one here in tucson but no it

2853
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:22,639
went to mcvinville oregon

2854
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,480
and look at the launch logo now i'm

2855
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:26,239
going to do something here that i think

2856
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,000
i can do

2857
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,440
on the mac

2858
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:30,800
all right

2859
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:36,790
my what big feet you have

2860
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,159
this isn't a gorilla i call it bigfoot

2861
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,400
and what kind of bird is that

2862
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,480
it's a pelican

2863
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:47,199
who is the pelican

2864
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,639
i'll let you answer that for yourself

2865
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:53,760
and then also um sorry for that you also

2866
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,639
have palms palm trees

2867
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:58,560
and of course you have the missile

2868
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,599
and you have a bright sun or is that an

2869
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:03,199
orb i don't know let's just call it a

2870
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:05,440
sun for argument's sake there's sun

2871
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:07,199
and a missile

2872
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,239
okay bigfoot pelican

2873
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:12,159
palm trees and where's the palm trees

2874
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:14,159
come from

2875
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,560
well have you ever heard of palmdale

2876
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:17,840
california

2877
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:20,800
it's the home of the skunk works

2878
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:23,840
palmdale california

2879
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,239
i'm looking at this and i'm saying my

2880
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,800
gosh is this like a tease is this just

2881
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,719
coincidence they put these

2882
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:32,480
objects these two

2883
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,199
uh animals and these and this palm

2884
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,760
trees here or what they were they trying

2885
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:40,000
to tell us and the fact that there was a

2886
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:42,159
famous macmillanville oregon ufo case

2887
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:43,840
and they took

2888
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,360
this logo which was on

2889
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,360
the titan iv

2890
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:51,920
and the last two titan fours went to the

2891
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:53,920
place where they had

2892
01:57:02,229 --> 01:56:59,119
this ufo incident and look at that logo

2893
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:02,239
i am developing this slide i can expand

2894
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,280
on it in a very surprising way

2895
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:07,760
cia has a letter from me

2896
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,440
telling them informing them how i'm

2897
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:11,040
going to expand this

2898
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,149
and describe

2899
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:18,400
more in detail of

2900
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,390
now this is uh known as the infamous

2901
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:30,880
slide 54 this is the 54th one in the

2902
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,880
deck and i promise you i know we went

2903
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:35,040
along but we're almost done

2904
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:36,239
um

2905
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:39,599
this is called informed speculation

2906
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:40,480
um

2907
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,320
i think it's hidden history but let's

2908
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:45,360
call it informed speculation and i'll

2909
01:58:04,390 --> 01:57:46,159
i

2910
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:04,400
earth

2911
01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:05,599
um

2912
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:07,760
it's very unusual that they would show

2913
01:58:11,990 --> 01:58:09,199
that

2914
01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:12,000
um so i speculated

2915
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,080
based on uh

2916
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:16,320
other things that i've learned now leave

2917
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:17,599
it at that

2918
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:20,400
that we're repealing beings able to

2919
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:23,040
manipulate uh prime primate dna to

2920
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,119
accelerate human hybrids did that happen

2921
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:29,360
and were some of those human hybrids

2922
01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:31,520
people that in myth and legend we call

2923
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:32,960
atlanteans

2924
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:35,760
in fact where we aren't we all

2925
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:37,920
human hybrids after all

2926
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:40,639
let us make man and our image

2927
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,960
says uh genesis

2928
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,320
um

2929
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:46,560
why aren't we like apes why don't we

2930
01:58:49,990 --> 01:58:48,000
like the bonneville the gorilla the

2931
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:50,000
chimpanzee

2932
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,719
that's better for speculation

2933
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:54,960
but did they do this and are the

2934
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:57,599
accelerated ones uh really the

2935
01:59:01,669 --> 01:58:58,880
atlanteans

2936
01:59:04,229 --> 01:59:01,679
did they ordain this idea of kingship

2937
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,239
and priesthood through selected hybrid

2938
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:06,480
families

2939
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:08,880
and were they able to establish a risk

2940
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:10,960
correct bloodlines bloodlines and

2941
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:13,599
aristocracy are so important

2942
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:16,480
back in ancient times

2943
01:59:20,790 --> 01:59:19,040
and hybrid families

2944
01:59:23,669 --> 01:59:20,800
of power and wealth

2945
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:23,679
did they establish that and even today

2946
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:25,440
are they exercising some kind of

2947
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:26,960
political power

2948
01:59:30,709 --> 01:59:29,280
economic control off the stage or hidden

2949
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:30,719
social influence

2950
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:33,199
and i'm just leaving that as it is

2951
01:59:37,030 --> 01:59:35,199
i'm just saying that

2952
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:37,040
it's informed because

2953
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:39,760
i wrote the cia and said here's why i

2954
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,000
know this

2955
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:44,400
and cia came back and said well we look

2956
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:47,199
forward to your presentation when you do

2957
01:59:55,910 --> 01:59:53,669
and i have a serial number for that that

2958
01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:55,920
particular submission so i can refer to

2959
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:58,159
it when i do these two slides and expand

2960
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:03,669
personally i believe this is one of the

2961
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:05,360
core secrets

2962
02:00:12,350 --> 02:00:10,149
let's look at some of the logos and i'll

2963
02:00:15,430 --> 02:00:12,360
go through them real fast

2964
02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:15,440
nrl4 launch four

2965
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:18,400
launch launches uh numerals are not

2966
02:00:22,310 --> 02:00:20,400
necessary in the order the spacecraft

2967
02:00:27,270 --> 02:00:22,320
was launched so i'll just say that but

2968
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:31,910
number six

2969
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:36,310
number 19

2970
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:43,589
number 32 the eye of horus

2971
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:46,550
number 35 and by the way her name is

2972
02:00:50,070 --> 02:00:47,920
angelique

2973
02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:50,080
she was named by

2974
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:52,000
some folks in nro they said she's

2975
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:53,440
angelique i don't know where the

2976
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:55,199
angelique name came from but that's her

2977
02:00:59,030 --> 02:00:56,320
name

2978
02:01:04,709 --> 02:00:59,040
and there's angelique on an actual

2979
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:07,109
anubis god of the afterlife egyptian god

2980
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:08,480
of the afterlife

2981
02:01:13,589 --> 02:01:11,360
on nrl 38

2982
02:01:16,790 --> 02:01:13,599
that a stands for atlas

2983
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,800
av is atlas 5 number 23 in the launch

2984
02:01:20,310 --> 02:01:18,719
sequence

2985
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,320
united launch

2986
02:01:24,310 --> 02:01:22,080
alliance

2987
02:01:26,629 --> 02:01:24,320
45th space wing and i don't remember

2988
02:01:28,229 --> 02:01:26,639
what lr stood for

2989
02:01:30,629 --> 02:01:28,239
i'm sure there's people in the audience

2990
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:30,639
that would know that there's anubis

2991
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:35,280
egyptian god of the afterlife on a nro

2992
02:01:40,149 --> 02:01:36,560
spacecraft

2993
02:01:42,629 --> 02:01:40,159
that u.s taxes payers paid for

2994
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:42,639
and on the spacecraft itself and i

2995
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:43,679
should say

2996
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:46,320
the previous one was a mission patch as

2997
02:01:52,709 --> 02:01:48,400
you can tell something you were so on a

2998
02:01:56,470 --> 02:01:52,719
jacket on the spacecraft itself

2999
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:59,430
and if you notice that around this

3000
02:02:03,430 --> 02:02:00,639
official

3001
02:02:04,390 --> 02:02:03,440
little poster that interrow

3002
02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:04,400
put out

3003
02:02:09,830 --> 02:02:07,360
you have reptilian skin surrounding all

3004
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,830
reptilian skin in a circle for the o

3005
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:15,920
and there's our three dragons on the

3006
02:02:22,709 --> 02:02:20,000
atlas v which by the way the rd

3007
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:22,719
180 rocket engines is thanks to the

3008
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:25,280
russians we launch

3009
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:28,080
spy satellites against russia using

3010
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:32,320
rocket engine supply by the russians

3011
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:35,040
and there's a constellation

3012
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:36,159
uh

3013
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:38,880
i don't know if this is draco

3014
02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:41,280
but if there's any amateur astronomers

3015
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:42,320
out there

3016
02:02:45,830 --> 02:02:44,159
that might be a clue hidden in plain

3017
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:45,840
sight i don't know what constellation

3018
02:02:48,709 --> 02:02:47,520
that is

3019
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,719
at all

3020
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:51,440
that's 38

3021
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,480
39 is the octopus

3022
02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:56,639
and there's our octopus on a payload

3023
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:02,070
49

3024
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:04,719
latin translates to the

3025
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:08,560
most important fall you heard of fallen

3026
02:03:15,589 --> 02:03:09,760
angels

3027
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:15,599
might have been the atlanteans

3028
02:03:19,669 --> 02:03:18,080
that were separated from the other

3029
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:19,679
humans because they were too far

3030
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:21,920
advanced and their civilization was

3031
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:25,040
destroyed therefore fallen

3032
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:28,719
i found that to be very intriguing

3033
02:03:37,669 --> 02:03:35,109
uh is probably betty sapp

3034
02:03:41,830 --> 02:03:37,679
uh when this mission went up

3035
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:41,840
betty sapp was slated sapp betty sapp

3036
02:03:46,629 --> 02:03:43,760
was slated to be the first woman

3037
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:46,639
director of the nro

3038
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:54,069
and here's another

3039
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:55,679
patch for this

3040
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:03,910
vandenberg air force base the first

3041
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:06,639
delta iv heavy launch the rocket that

3042
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:08,560
actually launched it

3043
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,360
uh from uh space launch center numbers

3044
02:04:16,069 --> 02:04:13,520
uh space launch center number six at

3045
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:16,079
vandenberg

3046
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:18,320
space launch control maybe number six

3047
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:21,280
the devil you know

3048
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:28,390
and

3049
02:04:35,189 --> 02:04:30,159
green door

3050
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:35,199
are black program assignments

3051
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:38,719
and if you look at this patch

3052
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:41,199
i don't know if it's a magician or an

3053
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,440
insect but i i

3054
02:04:47,109 --> 02:04:45,520
this patch is so intriguing because the

3055
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:47,119
more you look at it you see more things

3056
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:50,400
into it but i see two red eyes here

3057
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:51,520
and

3058
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,599
i don't know this

3059
02:04:58,149 --> 02:04:55,440
looks like um if

3060
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:58,159
a merlin the magician hat i don't know

3061
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:00,719
but keep looking at it and you some

3062
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:03,360
people see insects some people see

3063
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,599
a magician with a

3064
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:07,920
merlin the magician hacked

3065
02:05:11,990 --> 02:05:10,560
this red spot here over the

3066
02:05:17,510 --> 02:05:12,000
united states

3067
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:17,520
okay

3068
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:20,159
southwest united states what black

3069
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:21,760
program would exist

3070
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:23,840
in a southwestern state

3071
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:27,199
like in the desert leave it at that but

3072
02:05:31,990 --> 02:05:29,520
these black programs are called

3073
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:32,000
it also uh just real quick it also looks

3074
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:33,360
like

3075
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:36,320
it's holding a dagger the golden uh

3076
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:39,840
overlay with the ah yes good good jay

3077
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:44,870
thank you for that

3078
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:48,000
no problem

3079
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:54,870
that's the nickname for the youtube

3080
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:57,040
that cia gave her

3081
02:06:02,870 --> 02:05:59,920
the dragon lady

3082
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:02,880
and that's it really um there's the cia

3083
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,360
reading room for ufos

3084
02:06:10,069 --> 02:06:07,599
i recommend going there first

3085
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:10,079
uh because that's where all the ufo

3086
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:13,040
archives are located at

3087
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:14,639
and if you see a link

3088
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:16,639
through a google search and you click on

3089
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:18,159
the direct link you just get to the

3090
02:06:24,149 --> 02:06:20,239
front page of the reading room

3091
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:24,159
you don't get into where the actual

3092
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:26,560
document is i recommend doing a right

3093
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:27,679
mouse click

3094
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:29,840
do a copy and paste and paste it into a

3095
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,040
browser

3096
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:32,960
and then go from there and you'll get

3097
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:34,639
right to the

3098
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:36,320
article itself

3099
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:38,960
and i use the blackvault

3100
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:42,239
that's a repository of foia

3101
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:43,679
and i also like the war zone because

3102
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:45,440
they tend to be well connected to

3103
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:48,320
defense apartment programs

3104
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:50,960
and that is it um so i say embrace why

3105
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:53,360
whole lighting as hold lightly as my way

3106
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,560
of saying i don't reject anything

3107
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:58,880
outright just because i don't believe it

3108
02:07:02,550 --> 02:07:00,960
i don't reject it

3109
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:02,560
as an analyst

3110
02:07:07,669 --> 02:07:05,199
i'm trained to analyze all source

3111
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:07,679
intelligence so even if it's something

3112
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:10,480
that seems completely wild to me

3113
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,040
i i won't hold it tightly and not in the

3114
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:14,960
sense that i'm going to believe it and

3115
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,119
it's going to be like part of my

3116
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,119
uh ufo conversation

3117
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,360
but i do hold it lightly and just and

3118
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,360
either i find it proven or disproven and

3119
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:25,679
then if it's disproven i can drop it but

3120
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,719
i don't like like uh just just because

3121
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:30,400
someone says something that i disagree

3122
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:34,239
with i don't attack that person uh i

3123
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:36,480
i may not agree with that person but i i

3124
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:40,800
just take it as it's a data point for me

3125
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:43,840
myself to either research on my own to

3126
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,239
approve or disprove and so with that jay

3127
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:48,480
i turn it over back to you

3128
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:52,079
wow john that was amazing and uh i you

3129
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:53,920
know i'm most impressed with the fact

3130
02:07:57,430 --> 02:07:55,679
that you only cleared your throat once

3131
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,440
and took one sip of water during that

3132
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,760
entire presentation i think

3133
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:01,840
i would have been clearing my throat and

3134
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:03,520
sipping away that entire time but you

3135
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:06,480
did fantastic and uh as i was saying at

3136
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:08,000
the beginning of this i think that this

3137
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:09,440
presentation

3138
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:11,760
is going to serve uh well there's a

3139
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:13,119
multitude of different things that have

3140
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:14,320
been addressed throughout this some

3141
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:15,840
really interesting little tidbits that i

3142
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:18,639
wasn't aware of like the uh chase tommy

3143
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:21,199
lee jones cousin relation i had no idea

3144
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,840
that that was a a thing but also just

3145
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:25,599
the fact that this is going to really

3146
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:28,800
help people in refining down the process

3147
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:30,960
of freedom of information at requests

3148
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:33,599
different agencies uh that you've gone

3149
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:35,520
through and i think that's going to have

3150
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:38,000
a lot of benefit for people i have um i

3151
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:39,119
have written down a few different

3152
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:40,719
questions so if you're if you're happy

3153
02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:43,599
to kind of do a little q a now uh just

3154
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,639
briefly

3155
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,599
um

3156
02:08:49,669 --> 02:08:47,280
one thing i just wrote down near the

3157
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:49,679
beginning actually was why is the cia

3158
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:52,880
referred to as the agency

3159
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:53,840
um

3160
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:55,599
part of it is probably because we were

3161
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,840
the first and um

3162
02:09:01,830 --> 02:08:59,679
if you look at the founding of the cia

3163
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,840
it was founded by very elite families in

3164
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:03,360
the united states who went to the right

3165
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:05,599
schools right in fact there's a movie

3166
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:07,760
called the good shepherd

3167
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:08,719
um

3168
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:11,840
and i suggest that if you want to

3169
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:15,119
look into the founding of the ca and how

3170
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:18,079
these elite families got together

3171
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:20,719
to create this intelligence agency

3172
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,320
that's a good movie to go to and it

3173
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:25,040
shows some of the um

3174
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,000
uh

3175
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:28,639
kind of attitudes that

3176
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:30,400
that these families had that they were

3177
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:32,480
like exalted above other families that

3178
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:34,880
we are special that we hold the united

3179
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,679
states there's a line in there we have

3180
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,440
the united states of america and the

3181
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:41,679
rest of you are just visiting it's that

3182
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,760
type of attitude right

3183
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,599
but they also give credit

3184
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:47,599
i think you uk viewers might be

3185
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:50,560
interested um that the cia learned how

3186
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:52,000
to spy

3187
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:53,280
from the british the british

3188
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:55,360
intelligence yeah right i mean you guys

3189
02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:57,679
had inflation service organized

3190
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:00,159
since elizabethan times and so we

3191
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:01,520
learned the british system of

3192
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:04,320
intelligence oss officers were trained

3193
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:05,520
in canada

3194
02:10:08,790 --> 02:10:06,480
by

3195
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,800
uh the british intelligence i think it's

3196
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:10,480
called the soe

3197
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,400
was the organization world war ii that

3198
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:15,360
trained the oss officers and afterwards

3199
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,040
we applied british tradecraft

3200
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:21,440
as to how we conduct business but the

3201
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,599
secrecy around it

3202
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:26,159
this this cult of i call it the cult of

3203
02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:28,000
intelligence in fact there's a book

3204
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:31,040
written called the cult of intelligence

3205
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:32,960
and all that surrounds the cia of

3206
02:10:37,270 --> 02:10:35,040
keeping things like

3207
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:37,280
keep it dark and keep it hidden

3208
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:39,440
i think that came mostly from a nazi

3209
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:41,360
influence the german influence of how we

3210
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:43,360
organize ourselves in that way how we

3211
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:45,679
run counter intelligence

3212
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:47,599
counterintelligence being run against us

3213
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:49,119
not against you

3214
02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:52,079
so if if i came to you and said hey jay

3215
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:54,800
i got this top secret document

3216
02:10:59,669 --> 02:10:57,040
and then you say hey i have a source

3217
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:59,679
with a top secret document

3218
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:01,280
it's not you that could get in trouble

3219
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:02,480
it's me

3220
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:04,079
that's what counterintelligence is about

3221
02:11:07,990 --> 02:11:05,679
it's about leaks

3222
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:08,000
like stopping leaks of classified

3223
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:09,280
information

3224
02:11:12,950 --> 02:11:10,719
from happening

3225
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:12,960
and so any researcher that says i got

3226
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:15,840
this from a trusted source in government

3227
02:11:23,910 --> 02:11:22,149
you're a person of interest not for any

3228
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:23,920
legal action but because they want to

3229
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,400
know who that source was that gave you

3230
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:28,880
that that source is in trouble

3231
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:31,360
and if that source is still

3232
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:33,440
giving you classifier information either

3233
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:35,520
that source was turned

3234
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:37,920
or that source is a complete imposter

3235
02:11:42,550 --> 02:11:40,159
giving you fake information

3236
02:11:43,990 --> 02:11:42,560
believe me these guys are good

3237
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,000
these guys are good counterintelligence

3238
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:46,400
people are are very very good

3239
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,840
yeah this is this is an important thing

3240
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:49,760
to highlight because uh you know a lot

3241
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:51,520
of researchers myself included have been

3242
02:11:54,629 --> 02:11:53,119
approached by all sorts of uh you know

3243
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:54,639
different people claiming intelligence

3244
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:56,560
backgrounds and uh

3245
02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:59,280
you know speaking for myself as a 26

3246
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:01,040
year old young man from the uk with no

3247
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:02,719
intelligence background whatsoever in

3248
02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:04,560
terms of vetting sources it's extremely

3249
02:12:06,950 --> 02:12:05,920
difficult i mean i've been i've been

3250
02:12:08,870 --> 02:12:06,960
fortunate

3251
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:08,880
in uh you know getting

3252
02:12:12,390 --> 02:12:10,480
connected to well individuals like

3253
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:12,400
yourself and others who have a

3254
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:14,719
background enable uh to vet these people

3255
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:16,480
appropriately so i think that

3256
02:12:21,669 --> 02:12:18,159
um you know and i'm certainly not the

3257
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:21,679
only one out of the more modern ufo

3258
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,239
researchers who have you know had

3259
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:26,079
sources come out of the woodworks and

3260
02:12:29,990 --> 02:12:28,079
and communicate with them so it's

3261
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:30,000
definitely beneficial to have someone

3262
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:32,000
with your background uh providing that

3263
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:33,199
kind of advice because it will just

3264
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:36,000
serve as a as a way to uh

3265
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,679
just just

3266
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:39,599
more easily verify whether these people

3267
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,679
are legitimate or not and uh it's no

3268
02:12:46,390 --> 02:12:43,920
secret that there is absolutely

3269
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:46,400
disinformation being uh circulated

3270
02:12:50,709 --> 02:12:48,320
amongst the ufo community it's just

3271
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:50,719
sometimes hard to pin down uh whether or

3272
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:52,400
not it is or whether or not it isn't i

3273
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,520
think that's always a struggle for

3274
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:55,360
researchers so that's definitely going

3275
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:56,639
to be something that's going to be

3276
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:58,880
beneficial for people in the long run

3277
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,679
also you were you mentioned the uk and

3278
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:03,360
you're probably just going to cite the

3279
02:13:06,709 --> 02:13:04,800
reasons you gave before but you know i

3280
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:06,719
find it very frustrating uh that the

3281
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:08,880
uk's ministry of defense chooses to

3282
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:11,199
neglect this issue as non-essential to

3283
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:12,880
national security interests when our

3284
02:13:16,629 --> 02:13:13,920
closest

3285
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:16,639
ally the united states of america has at

3286
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:19,360
a governmental level uh started to

3287
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:22,159
engage openly on the potential national

3288
02:13:27,589 --> 02:13:24,719
security risks posed by uaps um you know

3289
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:27,599
why do you think the uh the uk is

3290
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:29,920
remaining silent on this when we have

3291
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:32,079
also had our own similar incursions

3292
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:34,400
historically by uap with uh you know

3293
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:36,880
icbm stations and nuclear capable

3294
02:13:39,669 --> 02:13:38,000
stations

3295
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:39,679
why do you think we're we're staying

3296
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:41,280
back on this

3297
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:43,920
well i was interested in um what

3298
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:46,400
baroness goldie said in the lord's

3299
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:48,960
questions and for our u.s audience who

3300
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:51,040
don't know who baroness baroness goldie

3301
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:53,040
is she is the uh

3302
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:54,480
officially the

3303
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:57,280
secretary of state of fort

3304
02:14:03,270 --> 02:14:00,400
defense basically the ministry of

3305
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,280
defense she heads that and she did state

3306
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,760
in questions this is when um the other

3307
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:07,280
lords can ask her

3308
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,520
uh um about the status of what her

3309
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:11,199
majesty's government might be doing on a

3310
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,280
certain particular issue

3311
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:15,679
the uaps came up a few days after or

3312
02:14:19,430 --> 02:14:17,840
maybe a week after the report was

3313
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:19,440
released the preliminary assessment was

3314
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:22,159
released in the u.s and she said well

3315
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,239
don't not to worry basically not to

3316
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:26,480
worry um the

3317
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:27,920
the uk

3318
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:30,639
is prepared to defend itself from any of

3319
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:32,480
these threats so don't worry about it

3320
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:33,679
you know

3321
02:14:37,030 --> 02:14:35,440
we we have it

3322
02:14:39,910 --> 02:14:37,040
we have it covered but she didn't really

3323
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:39,920
say exactly why they dropped it she said

3324
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:41,440
we're not looking at it because it's not

3325
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:43,840
a threat to us that's what i read but if

3326
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:45,679
it was a threat to us don't worry we

3327
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:47,040
have it covered

3328
02:14:51,430 --> 02:14:49,599
um having said that um

3329
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:51,440
uh i think

3330
02:14:56,470 --> 02:14:53,679
your uk audience knows that you know

3331
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:56,480
there's still like sightings from uk

3332
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:57,840
citizens

3333
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,040
and

3334
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:01,199
you know what

3335
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:02,800
i can't believe that the government is

3336
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:04,480
not interested in in some way shape or

3337
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:06,159
form i don't know if they're like

3338
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:08,639
looking at open source if people report

3339
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,639
it to the newspapers or something that

3340
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:12,480
they say okay there's a case and let's

3341
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:14,480
look at that they do it quietly but i

3342
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:15,520
don't know

3343
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:16,800
um

3344
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:19,360
so that's up to speculation why

3345
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:21,119
unless they say well let's just let the

3346
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:23,040
americans do all the heavy lifting and

3347
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:25,199
we'll follow up behind it

3348
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:27,040
the australians also they're in that

3349
02:15:32,470 --> 02:15:29,920
same mode of operation there

3350
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:32,480
well yeah we we share a a close

3351
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:34,239
similarity with australia it would seem

3352
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:36,320
in terms of handling uh this issue and

3353
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:38,560
the thing is for me is you know

3354
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:40,800
in the in the us we've got navy pilots

3355
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:43,280
talking about uh you know frequent

3356
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:45,920
incursions into training ranges and and

3357
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:46,800
you know

3358
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:51,040
buzzing our aircraft i i can't imagine

3359
02:15:54,149 --> 02:15:51,840
that

3360
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:54,159
a similar scenario isn't playing out

3361
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,440
within

3362
02:15:58,709 --> 02:15:57,760
uk training scenarios that are handling

3363
02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:58,719
especially when it comes to like

3364
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:00,480
strategic nuclear assets or anything

3365
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:02,480
like that i mean yeah this this can't be

3366
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:04,719
a unique phenomenon to america only so i

3367
02:16:09,510 --> 02:16:07,040
i don't imagine that the uk

3368
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,520
is dealing only with historical issues i

3369
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,520
imagine there must be real time issues

3370
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:13,119
that are occurring they just don't want

3371
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,360
to talk about it ah yeah i think you're

3372
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:16,880
right jay they don't want to talk about

3373
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:20,560
it and you don't have an foia process in

3374
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:23,440
the uk what you have is the osa

3375
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:26,320
and uh and uh for u.s citizens uh the

3376
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:28,159
official secrets acts

3377
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:29,199
are

3378
02:16:36,309 --> 02:16:33,760
very draconian very draconian and if um

3379
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,319
if the home secretary has her way she

3380
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:38,559
wants to criminalize possession of

3381
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:41,040
classified materials criminalized

3382
02:16:44,950 --> 02:16:43,040
journalists from possessing it and

3383
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,960
that's very dangerous for the uk

3384
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:47,439
researchers in this field

3385
02:16:52,870 --> 02:16:48,319
um

3386
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:52,880
that's that's very bad because it really

3387
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:55,200
suppresses everything it puts you at

3388
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:58,479
jeopardy for possessing um

3389
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,800
anything whatsoever and

3390
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:02,639
uh we have reciprocal agreements between

3391
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:04,000
the two governments

3392
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,359
from going back toward uh

3393
02:17:12,830 --> 02:17:10,240
back when the u.s and the uk uh work

3394
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:12,840
together to crack the german uh enigma

3395
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:14,479
code

3396
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:16,639
those agreements have existed especially

3397
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:19,200
with nsa and so

3398
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:20,080
um

3399
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:26,870
so if so if i gave you something and i

3400
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:29,040
said i'm gonna run out of here and i'm

3401
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:30,319
gonna hide out in the uk that's the

3402
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:31,439
worst place to hide out because i'll be

3403
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:32,880
shipped right back

3404
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:35,120
um and so you don't want that to happen

3405
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:36,960
at all yeah so

3406
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:37,920
free

3407
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:43,920
as a us citizen let me say this

3408
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:46,160
i'll take ownership for this statement

3409
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:49,840
if the uk had a foia one of those foias

3410
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:52,000
will go to a radar

3411
02:17:55,990 --> 02:17:53,760
in a place called

3412
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:56,000
filing dales

3413
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:00,559
it's an rf raf base there and they have

3414
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:03,439
a nice radar that looks over the arctic

3415
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:05,120
circle

3416
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:08,080
it's similar to the u.s pave paul's

3417
02:18:12,709 --> 02:18:11,120
radar which we built to look at the

3418
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:12,719
arctic circle for

3419
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:19,349
an icbm attack for example and that's

3420
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:21,920
what the uk version is there for as well

3421
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:24,559
it's part of our mutual missile defense

3422
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:27,280
uh examination and that that's the radar

3423
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:28,800
if there's anything flying out of the

3424
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,800
arctic circle

3425
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:32,559
um that's the radar that we see it it

3426
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:34,399
has the power and the capability of

3427
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:35,599
seeing it

3428
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:38,639
so that's that's that's my foia i'll go

3429
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:40,719
there say what do you have

3430
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:41,679
um

3431
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,000
so i'll just leave it at that yeah yeah

3432
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:46,160
well like you said we've uh we've been

3433
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,840
around for a long time and we have

3434
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:49,840
refined our secret keeping down to a

3435
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:52,319
fine art so uh it's uh it's very

3436
02:18:56,469 --> 02:18:54,719
difficult to break into the uh

3437
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,479
the restrictions of the uk government

3438
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:58,080
when it comes to this um one thing that

3439
02:19:01,750 --> 02:18:59,920
you brought up which was really

3440
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:01,760
interesting and i think

3441
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,000
it could yield some results hopefully if

3442
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:06,080
people engage for your requests because

3443
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:08,559
as as you said during the presentation

3444
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:10,960
at least to your knowledge this is not

3445
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:13,599
an agency that has had much attention by

3446
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:16,639
uh ufo researchers uh the uh the

3447
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:18,719
national geospatial intelligence agency

3448
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:21,200
now would you say it's likely that this

3449
02:19:25,589 --> 02:19:24,000
agency does have a portfolio on crop

3450
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:25,599
circles

3451
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:26,399
um

3452
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:31,200
foia

3453
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:33,840
i assisted a group of

3454
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:35,439
independent researchers the research

3455
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:36,319
team

3456
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:39,040
on that specific issue i help them craft

3457
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:40,639
an foia

3458
02:19:46,469 --> 02:19:43,679
using language that nga would know

3459
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:46,479
and identify

3460
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:50,640
and asked if they had any fact of

3461
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:52,720
of these crop circles do you have

3462
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,720
national technical means imagery that

3463
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:57,200
means uh nro imagery do you have

3464
02:20:01,750 --> 02:19:58,720
commercial imagery

3465
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:01,760
of these vegetative patterns

3466
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:03,920
in agriculture areas

3467
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:06,560
of the united kingdom properly known as

3468
02:20:10,950 --> 02:20:08,240
crop circles

3469
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:10,960
and that's the language i use

3470
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:13,120
and other phenomena by the way i just

3471
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:15,680
put in other phenomena just to catch

3472
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:17,680
anything they have because the one thing

3473
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:20,479
about foias is the people who deal with

3474
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,720
them deal with them literally and

3475
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:24,880
they'll give you exactly what you ask

3476
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:27,600
for or won't give you exactly what they

3477
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,640
ask for they don't volunteer information

3478
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:32,800
no yeah and i know that because i was

3479
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:35,680
one of the guys who was with the black

3480
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:39,040
pen redacting foia documents

3481
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:41,760
and areas that i had expertise in

3482
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:44,800
and some of these radars that were uh

3483
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,200
seeing tracking objects that were not

3484
02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:49,920
missiles or satellites and somebody sent

3485
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:51,920
an foia request and said hey you're the

3486
02:20:55,910 --> 02:20:54,399
f you're the radar guy for this

3487
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:55,920
can we release this and i went through

3488
02:21:02,070 --> 02:20:59,120
it and then basically i redact names

3489
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:02,080
phone numbers and office designators

3490
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:03,600
office addresses

3491
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,680
i keep intact

3492
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,760
the information if it does not reveal

3493
02:21:10,790 --> 02:21:09,200
sources and methods

3494
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:10,800
and then i let

3495
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:11,760
the

3496
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:17,680
content

3497
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:19,840
so i know what it's like to do the foia

3498
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:23,520
and i know it's very literal process

3499
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:25,200
so you have to be careful what you ask

3500
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:27,120
for if you ask for nothing you'll get

3501
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,359
nothing you have to ask for something

3502
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:31,200
that they have that you think they have

3503
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:33,040
and put in the language they understand

3504
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:34,240
yeah well

3505
02:21:37,990 --> 02:21:35,680
again like i said hopefully this

3506
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:38,000
presentation will serve as a tool that

3507
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:40,000
can be utilized by uh people i'm looking

3508
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:42,160
at you john greenwald uh you know i want

3509
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:44,000
to see uh want to see some freedom of

3510
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:45,359
information acts on these types of

3511
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:46,720
things through these different agencies

3512
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:48,960
that we haven't uh maybe engaged with as

3513
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:51,200
much as a uk citizen i just have to sit

3514
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,800
here with my hands tied behind my back i

3515
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:54,720
can't send foia requests off so uh you

3516
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:55,520
know

3517
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:58,000
it's up to you guys um obviously this is

3518
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:59,840
just speculation but one of your uh

3519
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:02,560
decision levers in your hypothetical orb

3520
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:05,120
scenario uh was to engage

3521
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,600
and provoke a reaction from the

3522
02:22:12,309 --> 02:22:09,920
phenomenon which as you uh

3523
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:12,319
just justifiably said is an unwise

3524
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:13,200
action

3525
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:14,160
um

3526
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:16,000
do you think that kind of decision has

3527
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:18,800
been made before in relation to ufos

3528
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:21,600
i don't know um i think

3529
02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:27,030
this is this is the this is the

3530
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:30,800
advantage of not having any ufo uap um

3531
02:22:36,870 --> 02:22:34,080
clearances i i have no snow saps i know

3532
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,880
no clearances related to this but i know

3533
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:38,640
there was a radar

3534
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:43,190
range

3535
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:44,880
and i know this radar

3536
02:22:52,389 --> 02:22:48,080
was used for v2 testing

3537
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:52,399
and it's also associated with a b-29 um

3538
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:55,760
testing how accurate the bombers would

3539
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,640
drop a bomb from a b-29

3540
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:00,960
so this radar is used for both purposes

3541
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:02,399
just a tracking radar it's a very good

3542
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:05,359
tracking radar and it uses i'm going to

3543
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,800
get technical here

3544
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:08,880
bear with me it uses this device called

3545
02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:12,000
magnetron a magnetron it's the device

3546
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,640
that actually creates and generates the

3547
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:16,720
the electromagnetic energy in a

3548
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:20,640
microwave range and it operates at three

3549
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:23,840
gigahertz or three uh billion cycles per

3550
02:23:26,389 --> 02:23:25,280
second

3551
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:26,399
um

3552
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:27,840
and

3553
02:23:32,309 --> 02:23:30,479
that is in s-man remember i said two to

3554
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,319
four is s ban

3555
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:34,319
so it's operating right smack in the

3556
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:36,720
middle of this band of frequencies

3557
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:40,319
which uh also is the a n spywin radar on

3558
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:42,720
the uss princeton it's also that russian

3559
02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:45,280
radar i talked about called the neiman p

3560
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:47,680
it's also an s-band radar and so is this

3561
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:49,920
at white sands

3562
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:53,520
and so happens that

3563
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:55,840
tesla once said

3564
02:24:00,710 --> 02:23:58,880
that a magnetron can be used as an rf

3565
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,720
weapon

3566
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:02,319
right and he said that and i wish i

3567
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,080
could find that i found it in part of my

3568
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,560
research and i

3569
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,560
for some reason i lost that reference

3570
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:10,479
but tesla said that a magnetron can be

3571
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,040
used as an rf weapon and i believe he

3572
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:15,600
actually cited three gigahertz

3573
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:18,000
um the japanese built a three gigahertz

3574
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:19,120
uh

3575
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:20,880
magnetron device

3576
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:23,359
and there was a technology transfer to

3577
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:26,240
the german company telefunken

3578
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:27,439
before

3579
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:30,640
uh the u.s entry into world war two

3580
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:32,560
three megahertz mag three gigahertz

3581
02:24:37,990 --> 02:24:35,600
magnetron so that technology existed

3582
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:38,000
and that three gigahertz magnetron

3583
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:40,640
was what generated the microwaves of

3584
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:44,080
these two radars that white sands and um

3585
02:24:47,670 --> 02:24:46,479
so with if these radars were up and

3586
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:47,680
running

3587
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:50,960
uh in 1947 i don't know if that had any

3588
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:52,080
effect

3589
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:53,840
on the

3590
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:55,600
craft i don't know if it attracted the

3591
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:57,359
craft i have no idea just throwing

3592
02:25:02,230 --> 02:24:59,680
things out this loose ends

3593
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:02,240
that i have difficulty tying up

3594
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:04,399
yeah this is well there was the memo

3595
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,760
wasn't there there was the memorandum

3596
02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:08,000
that was uh i can't remember who wrote

3597
02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:09,359
it um

3598
02:25:14,630 --> 02:25:12,319
but uh i believe it's on the fbi's uh

3599
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:14,640
website which is uh in relation to the

3600
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:16,640
roswell incident that actually mentions

3601
02:25:21,190 --> 02:25:19,520
the engaging of those uh of those radio

3602
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:21,200
towers or you know

3603
02:25:24,309 --> 02:25:22,800
however they've they phrased it they may

3604
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:24,319
have brought down this craft right so

3605
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:26,240
there's a potential that these

3606
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:28,720
magnetrons may have disengaged uh the

3607
02:25:32,309 --> 02:25:31,439
ufo in in the sky and caused the roswell

3608
02:25:34,550 --> 02:25:32,319
crash

3609
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:34,560
yeah these are dishes they use a little

3610
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:36,240
radar dishes

3611
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,920
um in fact it was in a 1950s uh

3612
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:41,439
ufo movie

3613
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:44,880
where they the army or whoever mounted

3614
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:46,479
these radar dishes

3615
02:25:51,510 --> 02:25:48,720
and was knocking down flying saucers

3616
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:51,520
over washington using these radar dishes

3617
02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:52,720
and that was one of the interesting

3618
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:55,600
movies of them showing oh wow we know

3619
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:56,880
how to do this

3620
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:59,120
wow

3621
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:01,280
yeah we know how to do this

3622
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:04,560
i believe uh philip j corso when you

3623
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:05,520
know

3624
02:26:13,110 --> 02:26:10,479
his uh his accounts but i'm pretty sure

3625
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:13,120
it was corso who when he claimed to have

3626
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:14,240
actually seen one of these

3627
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,520
extraterrestrials in a craft um

3628
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:19,120
it said to him

3629
02:26:23,590 --> 02:26:21,439
that they are requesting that they take

3630
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:23,600
the radars offline so that they can they

3631
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,359
can leave this area and i think that's

3632
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:27,200
when he said what's in it for me

3633
02:26:31,190 --> 02:26:29,680
and uh and they said a whole new world

3634
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:31,200
if you can take it or something along

3635
02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:32,720
those lines that's interesting yeah

3636
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:35,040
right yeah so the counter that quote

3637
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:36,640
yeah well

3638
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:38,160
people might fact-check me i know that

3639
02:26:42,630 --> 02:26:39,920
there was something along those lines

3640
02:26:44,469 --> 02:26:42,640
with philip j corso so maybe someone can

3641
02:26:46,630 --> 02:26:44,479
uh comment below if i'm if i'm getting

3642
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:46,640
that wrong um

3643
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,720
do you believe that the cia and other

3644
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:51,120
agencies are still interested and

3645
02:26:56,309 --> 02:26:54,160
engaged in studies of uh telekinesis and

3646
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:56,319
and other effects of expanded states of

3647
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:58,160
consciousness

3648
02:27:01,030 --> 02:26:59,120
um

3649
02:27:03,910 --> 02:27:01,040
i would say that

3650
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:03,920
if any of that is happening it will be

3651
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:06,960
through the dni not the cia

3652
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:09,200
because the dni has a mechan it has a

3653
02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:11,200
mechanism the a

3654
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,960
i a r

3655
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:14,080
uh

3656
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:16,479
irpa iarpa

3657
02:27:20,070 --> 02:27:18,000
um

3658
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:20,080
and i listed some of the interesting

3659
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:21,920
projects they've worked on

3660
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:23,760
so i would say it's in there

3661
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:25,280
i don't know where the office of the

3662
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:27,680
chief scientist went

3663
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:29,680
before the office of the chief scientist

3664
02:27:33,670 --> 02:27:31,200
it was called the office of research and

3665
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:33,680
development and kit green's time he

3666
02:27:37,030 --> 02:27:35,120
worked for the office of research and

3667
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:37,040
development and the director of science

3668
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:38,640
and technology

3669
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:40,720
he retired

3670
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:45,920
85 i was there in 84.

3671
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:46,800
um

3672
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:49,600
but that later became the office of the

3673
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:51,520
chief scientist

3674
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:54,080
and the so-called weird desk is

3675
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,200
basically an entire office

3676
02:28:00,630 --> 02:27:59,040
it's not just one desk it's everybody's

3677
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:00,640
desk in that office can be considered a

3678
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:02,479
weird desk they just look at things that

3679
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:04,960
are highly unusual that doesn't fit into

3680
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:07,200
a intelligence category

3681
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:09,680
um so that's where it comes in that you

3682
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:12,479
know like i was invited by jack hauck to

3683
02:28:17,429 --> 02:28:14,319
bend spoons

3684
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:17,439
and i regret to this day i didn't join

3685
02:28:20,070 --> 02:28:18,240
uh

3686
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:20,080
the group to ben spoons i think the

3687
02:28:25,030 --> 02:28:22,640
other cia officers i was with went there

3688
02:28:28,150 --> 02:28:25,040
have you ever attempted it yourself uh

3689
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:28,160
yes through um xo metaverse um

3690
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:30,080
through melinda leslie

3691
02:28:34,070 --> 02:28:31,680
up in sedona

3692
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:34,080
she has a she works with exo metalverse

3693
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:36,240
uh occasionally to have the spoon

3694
02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:39,200
beaning parties um online so i was

3695
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:41,200
surprised i was able to do it

3696
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:42,960
the jack hauck story is interesting

3697
02:28:48,309 --> 02:28:45,920
because i mentioned the the radars that

3698
02:28:49,990 --> 02:28:48,319
were the soviets used or the russians

3699
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,000
used to

3700
02:28:55,830 --> 02:28:52,880
lure or attract ufos

3701
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:55,840
the contract was with mcdonnell douglas

3702
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:58,399
and the program manager for that is jack

3703
02:29:02,230 --> 02:28:59,840
hauck

3704
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:02,240
so there's that little linkage there

3705
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:05,040
he was very well connected

3706
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:07,200
and that also goes to

3707
02:29:12,309 --> 02:29:09,760
jack hauck and um

3708
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:12,319
john alexander as well colonel alexander

3709
02:29:17,910 --> 02:29:15,280
dr alexander i should say

3710
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:17,920
a man of many titles

3711
02:29:22,630 --> 02:29:20,080
um now one other thing that i thought

3712
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:22,640
was really quite interesting and uh you

3713
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:23,520
actually

3714
02:29:27,270 --> 02:29:25,280
said yourself that someone needs to

3715
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:27,280
interview this person so i'm going to be

3716
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,520
working on that the uh i can't remember

3717
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:31,520
their name now but the author of the uh

3718
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:33,600
living in the hearts book

3719
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:34,800
oh no

3720
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:41,750
right okay i'm gonna definitely have a

3721
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:42,960
look into that because this the the

3722
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:44,880
statement regarding the uh the mur the

3723
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:47,520
merkabah uh of lights is is just

3724
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:50,399
absolutely uh fascinating so i i would

3725
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:51,920
love to try and get that person on

3726
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:54,399
record to uh to try and dig into what

3727
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:56,479
else they were told by was it was a

3728
02:30:03,270 --> 02:29:58,160
major

3729
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:03,280
yeah

3730
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:07,680
guess where i heard that inside the

3731
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:13,750
okay so that's definitely something

3732
02:30:17,910 --> 02:30:15,760
that's uh made made it around the coffee